Carrying over a warning

[bainsey]

MS-G. Point guard A-1 is a feisty little thing with decent skills and a chip on her shoulder. Her chip grew when her mother was tossed from the crowd by my partner. (No game admin. Principal had a sick kid at home, came back to the school to apologize to us.)

Fourth quarter, B-2 steals the ball and goes on a 1-on-1 breakaway, with A-1 following. B-2 makes the layup as A-1 yells "miss!" I spoke with A-1 about that, telling her that's taunting and will be a T next time.

I have this team again this week, at another school. Should "next time" carry over into a new game?

[Big_Blue_Wannabe]

No. Everyone starts with a clean slate every game. Or at least they should, IMO


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[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I have this team again this week, at another school. Should "next time" carry over into a new game?

No for a couple of reasons:

A) I wouldn't have given such a warning in the first place.

B) It's a new game.

As an aside, I have had to have a fan removed without a separate game administrator present. I told the person working the table that the fan had to go and let him figure out how to handle it (it's his school). I am not going to toss a fan myself.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Welpe

A) I wouldn't have given such a warning in the first place.

This.

[just another ref]

There is nothing official to carry over, but a warning is not necessary in this case anyway. If you want to call it taunting you can call it a T without a warning.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There is nothing official to carry over, but a warning is not necessary in this case anyway. If you want to call it taunting you can call it a T without a warning.

I'm not sure how you can call that taunting. 10-4-6 specifically addresses taunting.

NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of Taunting which is intended or designed to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances.

I wouldn't place yelling "miss" under any of those. If you wanted to call it unsporting, you could maybe get away with that. That's not a hill I'm going to die on though.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I'm not sure how you can call that taunting. 10-4-6 specifically addresses taunting.

Taunting is what he called it in the OP. The debate here, I think, is about giving a warning, not what actually constitutes taunting.

And, maybe you had to be there, but I agree with you.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Taunting is what he called it in the OP. The debate here, I think, is about giving a warning, not what actually constitutes taunting.

And, maybe you had to be there, but I agree with you.

You're right, I was more aiming comment that at OP. My bad, didn't mean to insinuate YOU were the one calling it taunting.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

MS-G. Point guard A-1 is a feisty little thing with decent skills and a chip on her shoulder. Her chip grew when her mother was tossed from the crowd by my partner. (No game admin. Principal had a sick kid at home, came back to the school to apologize to us.)

Fourth quarter, B-2 steals the ball and goes on a 1-on-1 breakaway, with A-1 following. B-2 makes the layup as A-1 yells "miss!" I spoke with A-1 about that, telling her that's taunting and will be a T next time.

I have this team again this week, at another school. Should "next time" carry over into a new game?

1) It's not taunting

2) If you deem it unsporting, then just call a T.

3) I don't think its unsporting

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Raymond

1) It's not taunting

2) If you deem it unsporting, then just call a T.

3) I don't think its unsporting

Agreed. It's no different than players yelling "Dead! Dead! Dead!" when a player picks up a dribble.

[just another ref]

I wish this was taunting. If it was then I guess we could put a stop to all this "BALL! BALL! BALL!" "DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!" stuff that we all love so much.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Agreed. It's no different than players yelling "Dead! Dead! Dead!" when a player picks up a dribble.

Of course its different. "Dead" is intended to communicate to one's teammates that they don't have to help on a drive and can pressure passing lanes. The sole purpose of "miss!" is to bother an opponent. But I think it is viewed as an acceptable behavior in the world of hoops and am surprised to see it s something that would be warned or Td.

[deecee]

Things may not carry over, but there are players who are habitual pains in the rear that get a much shorter rope than others.

[MechanicGuy]

If this reached the level of unsporting, or if I'm misunderstanding the play and it really is borderline taunting, then I have zero problem with carrying over the warning. Especially considering a warning isn't required in the first place.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Of course its different. "Dead" is intended to communicate to one's teammates that they don't have to help on a drive and can pressure passing lanes. The sole purpose of "miss!" is to bother an opponent. But I think it is viewed as an acceptable behavior in the world of hoops and am surprised to see it s something that would be warned or Td.

What about yelling "Ball Ball Ball" at spot throw-in inbounder? I think the primary purpose of that is to rattle the thrower in, but certainly not something I'd ever call unsporting, or even consider a T for.