Play overtime or not?

[jritchie]

A1 drives to basket, tie game, little contact, no foul, buzzer ends regulation. Coach comes out on floor and says "what, no foul? you guys are the worst f-bomb officials I have ever seen" "Whack"
Question: Now that regulation had ended and technical came after time had ended. Does Team B shoot free throws for the win or just to start overtime with the lead and the ball?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Check your casebook. I promise you'll find your answer.

[deecee]

This has been discussed quite a few times over the last month. I didn't know this issue was so rampant these days.

[crosscountry55]

I wonder if it involved the same Illinois game? I mean, this doesn’t happen that often, does it?


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[jritchie]

Happened in Kentucky here twice in the same week, one set of officials did it one way the other set did it the other. Just a big conversation going on about it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Happened in Kentucky here twice in the same week, one set of officials did it one way the other set did it the other. Just a big conversation going on about it.

Point everyone to 5.6.2.C (a). That case involves a Player T after the 4th quarter ends, and not a coach T, but ...

[todd66]

Start the overtime with the 2 free throws for team A. Team A then gets the ball to start OT and the arrow is set to team B, once the throw in ends.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I wonder if it involved the same Illinois game? I mean, this doesn’t happen that often, does it?

Originally Posted by jritchie

Happened in Kentucky here twice in the same week.

I stand corrected.

There's a reason I read through the case book....cover to cover....at least once a year. If only all officials did this. Actually, come to think of it, if even one out of three did, we'd have a pretty good chance of getting these things right.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by todd66

Start the overtime with the 2 free throws for team A. Team A then gets the ball to start OT and the arrow is set to team B, once the throw in ends.

The arrow is set when the ball is put at the disposal of the thrower-in.

[todd66]

That is correct. I was thinking that the throw in to start OT was a AP throw in but it is not. Thanks for catching that mistake on my part.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Point everyone to 5.6.2.C (a). That case involves a Player T after the 4th quarter ends, and not a coach T, but ...

Why are the two situations given in the case book different?

Part A says if tied, then the free throws will be part of the overtime
Part B says if team that got T, is leading you shoot the free throws as part of the 4th quarter to see if other team can tie to force OT or win.

I think that was part of the confusion, doesn't make sense that they are treated differently.

Since Part B is part of the 4th quarter, I don't understand why they both wouldn't be. You haven't started the overtime yet, and a player or coach did something stupid after regulation, so they should treat them both as part of the 4th quarter and shoot to win the game. Just my opinion..

But thanks for the case book play, it helps, even though I don't agree.

[Raymond]

People not agreeing with a rule does cause confusion. Whenever I discuss rules I steer folks away from their opinion about the rule or what it is in another rule set, and stick to what the rule actually is and what is written in the case and rule books.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Raymond

People not agreeing with a rule does cause confusion. Whenever I discuss rules I steer folks away from their opinion about the rule or what it is in another rule set, and stick to what the rule actually is and what is written in the case and rule books.

How exactly do you do that tactfully? There's an old-timer around here who just got back into it and was discussing PC with kids earlier this year. He was telling them that if they turn away from the contact, they will get called for a block every time. By my understanding, you can brace for contact which that seems like it would fall under. I tried to tell him that, but he said something along the lines of "yeah, that's the rule but no good official will call it that way if someone turns away or braces themselves like that."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Why are the two situations given in the case book different?

Because the second is an "exception" to the rule that anything that happens after a quarter ends (all activity associated with the previous quarter has been completed), anything new that happens is part of the next quarter (or, in this instance, OT).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Why are the two situations given in the case book different?

Part A says if tied, then the free throws will be part of the overtime
Part B says if team that got T, is leading you shoot the free throws as part of the 4th quarter to see if other team can tie to force OT or win.

I think that was part of the confusion, doesn't make sense that they are treated differently.

Since Part B is part of the 4th quarter, I don't understand why they both wouldn't be. You haven't started the overtime yet, and a player or coach did something stupid after regulation, so they should treat them both as part of the 4th quarter and shoot to win the game. Just my opinion..

But thanks for the case book play, it helps, even though I don't agree.

The situations are completely different. One has a team "winning" at the end of the quarter and the other the game is tied. In a tied game when the buzzer sounds the next action is overtime. In a game where a team has a lead and the buzzer sounds the game is over. A T at this point could change that to a different team winning, overtime, or leave it the same and the same team wins the contest. Overtime doesn't exist in the scenario where a team is leading at the end.