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Old Wed Jan 03, 2018, 06:25pm
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Sure, everyone's input is great and makes sense. I am not trying to complicate the count. I am trying to answer one single question: Is there a count without a visual signal? Unless you visually signal an arm movement at 0, the answer is yes.

Another thread had a debate as to when the ball was at the disposal of an inbounder, the visual 5 second count, etc. It is clear that the ball can be at the disposal of a player and a count started but yet, not a visual signal.
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Old Wed Jan 03, 2018, 07:17pm
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Sure, everyone's input is great and makes sense. I am not trying to complicate the count. I am trying to answer one single question: Is there a count without a visual signal? Unless you visually signal an arm movement at 0, the answer is yes.

Another thread had a debate as to when the ball was at the disposal of an inbounder, the visual 5 second count, etc. It is clear that the ball can be at the disposal of a player and a count started but yet, not a visual signal.
You are way, way, way overthinking this. The whole point of the arm movement is it takes a second--five arm movements = five seconds. So the arm movement should be starting at the time the official is starting the count. Is there going to be some fraction of a second between the time the official decide its time to start the count and the time a spectator can recognize the visual movement of the arm? Sure. But who cares.

(If that doesn't do it, think of a the difference between a clock that counts down from 8:00 in whole seconds and one that shows the hundredths. Typically the clock that only shows seconds won't move for a second; but the clock that shows hundredths instantly goes to 7:59.99. Those scrolling hundredths are the same as your moving arm.)
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Old Fri Jan 05, 2018, 03:27pm
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When my arm is going out I count "one thousand" when it comes back and touches my chest I count "one."
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Old Fri Jan 05, 2018, 04:17pm
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I always hear from coaches that I count fast. I just put a stop watch on my count. I'm actually about 6.5 seconds. 5 seconds goes by REALLY fast.
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