Starting count - at 0 or 1?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by just another ref

As Raymond says, I can't believe this is a discussion. But since it is:

The arm swing is not an instant act. The first arm swing consumes the time between 0 and 1, the second consumes the time between 1 and 2........and so on.

Raymond and I will take your follow-up questions now.

Indeed, so based on that rational, the ball can be at the disposal of a player for an inbound, the count started, but no visual count seen yet. Correct?

CASE: A1 scores. B1 grabs the ball to inbound it. When is the official's count seen by everyone? Ruling: At one second.

Explanation: In the judgement of the official for this case, the ball is considered to be at the disposal of B1 when B1 grabs the ball. The official starts his count in his head and the first visual signal of the official's count would be at one second.

Correct?

Given all this, the ball can be at the disposal of a player and the official's count can be started all without a visual signal.

Correct?