Last second shot attempts

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

What the heck are you talking about? The question was about last second shot responsibility and the primary coverage official not sure what to do in case of uncertainty.

The question was about the last second shot and not being able to tell if it was released before the horn or not. In my experience, the most likely reason to no know if the shot was released in time is not being able to hear the horn over the noise. It is usually not about being able to see the shot. If you can not hear the horn to tell, no amount of pregaming will fix that.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The question was about the last second shot and not being able to tell if it was released before the horn or not. In my experience, the most likely reason to no know if the shot was released in time is not being able to hear the horn over the noise. It is usually not about being able to see the shot. If you can not hear the horn to tell, no amount of pregaming will fix that.

By making sure to remind your partners to pay attention to last second shots, even though they are not the calling official on that play, you have more ears on the horn (not sure that makes sense, but I think you know what I mean) and thus more likely to have somebody know what happened instead of possibly having to guess.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The question was about the last second shot and not being able to tell if it was released before the horn or not. In my experience, the most likely reason to no know if the shot was released in time is not being able to hear the horn over the noise. It is usually not about being able to see the shot. If you can not hear the horn to tell, no amount of pregaming will fix that.

There was no mention of not hearing the horn. The question was regarding uncertainty if the ball was released in time or not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

There was no mention of not hearing the horn. The question was regarding uncertainty if the ball was released in time or not.

In fact, no mention was made of the reason why they were uncertain. It could be the horn as well as other reasons. And as I said, in my experience, not hearing the horn over crowd noise seems to be more common than not being able to see the shot.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In fact, no mention was made of the reason why they were uncertain. It could be the horn as well as other reasons. And as I said, in my experience, not hearing the horn over crowd noise seems to be more common than not being able to see the shot.

Both issues are critical to be sure. I would say from my experiences I have had fewer hearing-the-horn issues compared to the times when the ruling official ends up having the least favorable or less-than-ideal angle of the release. Fortunately, that doesn't mean he/she cannot make the correct call because most often the disparity between the horn and release or the release and horn is obvious from any angle. But in those situations where the horn-release/or release-horn is extremely close, a less-than-ideal angle of the ruling official is going to create some uncertainty for that official. I think we all would agree, if there is any doubt, we are not waving off the try. So, going back to my original question, if the ball goes in, would you be more comfortable going ahead and counting it and quite possibly having one or both of your partners come to you with information that likely will result in changing the call? Or, withhold any signal and go directly to your partners to discuss and make the decision together?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Both issues are critical to be sure. I would say from my experiences I have had fewer hearing-the-horn issues compared to the times when the ruling official ends up having the least favorable or less-than-ideal angle of the release. Fortunately, that doesn't mean he/she cannot make the correct call because most often the disparity between the horn and release or the release and horn is obvious from any angle. But in those situations where the horn-release/or release-horn is extremely close, a less-than-ideal angle of the ruling official is going to create some uncertainty for that official. I think we all would agree, if there is any doubt, we are not waving off the try. So, going back to my original question, if the ball goes in, would you be more comfortable going ahead and counting it and quite possibly having one or both of your partners come to you with information that likely will result in changing the call? Or, withhold any signal and go directly to your partners to discuss and make the decision together?

I would withhold and ask for help.

[billyu2]

Same here.