Ball Lodges

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

To clarify my motives,

#1 AP

#2 Throw in Violation

#3 AP

Correct on all three

[HokiePaul]

for #3, just to confirm what I'm almost certain on:

If you have a delayed violation on the FT and the ball lodges, it is treated just like any other miss and another FT is awarded.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

for #3, just to confirm what I'm almost certain on:

If you have a delayed violation on the FT and the ball lodges, it is treated just like any other miss and another FT is awarded.

Correct IMO. I don't believe there's a case play on this but that might be a good suggestion as one for the NFHS to adopt.

Logically, the reason you go AP on a lodged try (FG or FT) is because both teams are afforded no opportunity to rebound the miss. In a delayed violation scenario, the ball becomes dead when the FT ends (ball lodges) and you proceed by penalizing the violation (substitute FT).

[bucky]

How about if A1 goes in wrong direction, "shoots", and it lodges? It is neither a shot, throw-in, nor a FT.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

How about if A1 goes in wrong direction, "shoots", and it lodges? It is neither a shot, throw-in, nor a FT.

Give it back to A. A was still in TC and the ball became dead without a violation or foul, or end of period being involved (and whatever else is covered in the rule on this)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bucky

How about if A1 goes in wrong direction, "shoots", and it lodges? It is neither a shot, throw-in, nor a FT.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Give it back to A. A was still in TC and the ball became dead without a violation or foul, or end of period being involved (and whatever else is covered in the rule on this)

And A gets a fresh ten seconds! Talk about a lucky break.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Give it back to A. A was still in TC and the ball became dead without a violation or foul, or end of period being involved (and whatever else is covered in the rule on this)

Wow--that is so not intuitive!

So has anyone--in the history of the game--seen #2 from the OP?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Wow--that is so not intuitive!

So has anyone--in the history of the game--seen #2 from the OP?

It is definitely counterintuitive that an attempt at the wrong basket is not a try for goal, but that's the rule. Came from behind the arc? Two points. A1 ended a dribble, "shot," and the ball hit the opponent's backboard? Illegal dribble violation.

A thorough knowledge of the definitions in Rule 4 and their associated case plays are important in situations like this.

As for #2, I haven't seen it, but I always thought I'd see it before I ever saw #3. Wrong! I can envision an alley-oop throw-in from the sideline getting lodged. It'll happen someday and I'll be ready with the call. Bonus points for anyone who can find a video of this happening.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Give it back to A. A was still in TC and the ball became dead without a violation or foul, or end of period being involved (and whatever else is covered in the rule on this)

I never like disagreeing with Bob, but I'm going to here. It doesn't matter if the ball lodges as a result of a try or pass. 6-4-3d.

"Alternating possession throw-ins shall be from the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located. An alternating possession throw-in shall result when: (d) A live ball lodges between the backboard and ring. . . unless a free throw or throw-in follows."

Wedgie at opponent's basket results in an AP throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I never like disagreeing with Bob, but I'm going to here. It doesn't matter if the ball lodges as a result of a try or pass. 6-4-3d.

"Alternating possession throw-ins shall be from the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located. An alternating possession throw-in shall result when: (d) A live ball lodges between the backboard and ring. . . unless a free throw or throw-in follows."

Wedgie at opponent's basket results in an AP throw-in.

I'll go with that.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I never like disagreeing with Bob, but I'm going to here. It doesn't matter if the ball lodges as a result of a try or pass. 6-4-3d.

"Alternating possession throw-ins shall be from the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located. An alternating possession throw-in shall result when: (d) A live ball lodges between the backboard and ring. . . unless a free throw or throw-in follows."

Wedgie at opponent's basket results in an AP throw-in.

I agree.

Several years ago I had a team in its backcourt trying to break a press. A1 attempted a crosscourt pass to A2 along the end line. Of course, the nearly horizontal pass wedged in the space between the ring and backboard. I called an AP throw-in.

[Valley Man]

Originally Posted by bucky

How about if A1 goes in wrong direction, "shoots", and it lodges? It is neither a shot, throw-in, nor a FT.

Isn't that an AP also? Rules don't use the word shot/shoots. (6-4-3 d)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Isn't that an AP also? Rules don't use the word shot/shoots. (6-4-3 d)

Find the rule on when the AP is used when "neither TC, not a violation, nor end of period in involved". Are all those applicable?