New Referee Basketball

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'll heavily suggest not officiating unless it is and will be your sole source of income. The negatives outweigh the positives unless....you are making tons of money. I presume that everyone else will disagree with me.

Again, I suggest forgetting all about it. Consider doing something that is simply.....better.

Officiating as a sole source of income is usually relegated to those who work in the NBA or a full-time D1 schedule.

A vast majority of people do it for supplementary income. I sincerely do not understand the logic of your post.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Officiating as a sole source of income is usually relegated to those who work in the NBA or a full-time D1 schedule.

A vast majority of people do it for supplementary income. I sincerely do not understand the logic of your post.

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Sarcasm?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sarcasm?

Possibly. Maybe I didn't have my meter on that day.

[jTheUmp]

I've been officiating football for 11 years, basketball for 9 years, and baseball for 8 years.

Just looked at my income/expenses spreadsheet, and in that time I've got a net income of approximately $28000, which basically amounts to $2500/year AFTER expenses, mileage, income taxes (yes, I report my income to the IRS) and all that.

Could I have done something more valuable with my time? Perhaps. But how many other people have a avocation or hobby that actually gives them a positive cash flow?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

But how many other people have a avocation or hobby that actually gives them a positive cash flow?

That's the way I look at it -- a hobby that pays me money, as opposed to a hobby where I have to spend money

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's the way I look at it -- a hobby that pays me money, as opposed to a hobby where I have to spend money

I always tell others that I am getting paid to exercise, which is a great outcome that far outweighs the fiscal benefits.

In addition, my involvement in officiating was a major influence on 2 of my sons who were inspired to make it their professional careers.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I always tell others that I am getting paid to exercise, which is a great outcome that far outweighs the fiscal benefits.

In addition, my involvement in officiating was a major influence on 2 of my sons who were inspired to make it their professional careers.

Ahh, professional careers = for the money. Great!

[bucky]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I've been officiating football for 11 years, basketball for 9 years, and baseball for 8 years.

Just looked at my income/expenses spreadsheet, and in that time I've got a net income of approximately $28000, which basically amounts to $2500/year AFTER expenses, mileage, income taxes (yes, I report my income to the IRS) and all that.

Could I have done something more valuable with my time? Perhaps. But how many other people have a avocation or hobby that actually gives them a positive cash flow?

I would suggest digging deeper into the ledger. Most, around me anyway, do not report officiating income for tax purposes. Indeed positive cash flow but...at what actual expense. There is a looooong list of hidden costs but, to name a few:

Physical toll - knees, hips, etc.
Mental stress from countless sources from the minor (keeping an availability
calendar up to date) to the major (ejecting several players for a fight)
Actual money made per hour (remember to include packing a bag, laundry,
driving to/from game, meeting attendance, shopping for gear, camps,
emailing a partner, and all the other tiny bits of time involved)
Impact on life - work, sig oth, spouse, kids, etc..

Again, not trying to be a Debbie Downer but one has to consider everything and very few actually do that before jumping into it.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by bucky

I would suggest digging deeper into the ledger. Most, around me anyway, do not report officiating income for tax purposes. Indeed positive cash flow but...at what actual expense. There is a looooong list of hidden costs but, to name a few:

Physical toll - knees, hips, etc.
Mental stress from countless sources from the minor (keeping an availability
calendar up to date) to the major (ejecting several players for a fight)
Actual money made per hour (remember to include packing a bag, laundry,
driving to/from game, meeting attendance, shopping for gear, camps,
emailing a partner, and all the other tiny bits of time involved)
Impact on life - work, sig oth, spouse, kids, etc..

Again, not trying to be a Debbie Downer but one has to consider everything and very few actually do that before jumping into it.

First of all... the physical toll?? From officiating??? Come on. You need to check your diet and exercise regimen if officiating takes a physical toll on you.

Second, do you count the hours that you spend doing laundry for your primary job, travel to that job, shopping for new clothes for that job, money spent on degree for that job, etc. when you figure your own salary? I really hope you're kidding here today because you got me hook, line, and sinker.

To the new guy- try it out for a couple of years. You may love it. You may hate it. But don't let some jamoke on a message board be the reason you make your decision. If you have thick skin, I imagine you'll enjoy it.

[BryanV21]

If anyone is thinking of officiating for the money then they need to find another part time job. I officiate because I love the game, and I enjoy officiating. It's a hobby I get paid for. Are there downsides? Yeah, but that's true of anything.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

To the new guy- try it out for a couple of years. You may love it. You may hate it. But don't let some jamoke on a message board be the reason you make your decision. If you have thick skin, I imagine you'll enjoy it.

This.

Some attrition is inevitable. But we need (x) new officials every year in order to get the (x-y) returning officials we need to sustain the profession. Be an x-man and then let the chips fall where they may.



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[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by bucky

I would suggest digging deeper into the ledger. Most, around me anyway, do not report officiating income for tax purposes.

What other officials do in this regard is not my concern.

Indeed positive cash flow but...at what actual expense. There is a looooong list of hidden costs but, to name a few:

Physical toll - knees, hips, etc.

Which could also be a concern with any number of other activities (running, skiing, auto racing, etc.) Alternatively, what about the physical toll from NOT exercising and sitting on the couch all day watching TV or playing videogames?

Mental stress from countless sources from the minor (keeping an availability calendar up to date) to the major (ejecting several players for a fight)

I keep a calendar up to date for my regular life anyway. And officiating is actually a stress RELIEVER for me. I actually really enjoy the high-stress moments when everyone else in the area is going crazy and I'm the calm center of the universe.

Actual money made per hour (remember to include packing a bag, laundry, driving to/from game, meeting attendance, shopping for gear, camps, emailing a partner, and all the other tiny bits of time involved)

Yep, it takes time... so do any number of other hobbies and activities that would actually COST me money to participate in.

Impact on life - work, sig oth, spouse, kids, etc..

A valid concern, and one that requires constant communication with the family. Since my son was born, I've cut back my officiating by about 70% so I can spend time with him (and also to give my wife time to pursue her hobby, which she also makes money doing). But, again, any activity or hobby can have detrimental impacts on your life if you let it.

It does, of course, help that my job is flexible enough to allow me to leave early on the occasions that I need to do so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

... do not report officiating income for tax purposes.

Worse than taking a knee?

bucky: You do realize that the Internal Revenue Service monitors this Forum all the time.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Worse than taking a knee?

bucky: You do realize that the Internal Revenue Service monitors this Forum all the time.

Most schools in South Carolina are going to ArbiterPay this year (finally), which is upsetting to officials who had previously just left any income they didn’t receive a 1099 for unreported (since it was common not to make $600/year from an entity when the schools/districts were paying us on their own). Because ArbiterPay will send 1099s based on the total amount paid, now those officials will have no choice but to (gasp) actually report their earnings.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

... how many other people have a avocation or hobby that actually gives them a positive cash flow?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... a hobby that pays me money, as opposed to a hobby where I have to spend money

Originally Posted by justacoach

I always tell others that I am getting paid to exercise.

Amen. I wouldn't do it for free, but I'll keep doing it because it generates a positive cash flow, and I love doing it.

Oh, I almost forgot, I do it for the kids. Yeah, that's right, it's for the kids. Always for the kids.