2 hand reporting

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Rut, you are wrong and you know it, and so does everyone else on here. They already released the wording of how the RULE is going to read, and you are still denying that this is a RULE change, not just a mechanics change. I don't give a rat's ass what your state or any other state chooses to do. It's still in the rule book.

It is right there in front of you yet you keep denying it.

So the rule that requires a black and white shirt is always used by states that use NF rules? Interesting, because I can name many states that for some time do not use black and white shirts during their games. So again, when you show me why states that are members are using things outside of the stated rules (and I could get into things like shot clocks) and now this is a "mandated" unlike any other application of this policy. Interesting. Again, your penis is too hard for this change.

I will say this again. I have worked a tournament or two that used shirts that were no where near the black and white shirts. I worked a tournament that every year used a different color shirt and jacket. It was one of the appealing parts of working the tournament as we would get more gear. I worked a tournament that on the first day they celebrated veterans and we were given a camouflage style shirt to work those games. So just like the shirts we wear, states, associations and even individuals use all kinds of things that do not fit the rules. We have those conversations every day on this site, if you are paying attention.

Peace

[SC Official]

Who the hell said any state was "mandated" to use two hand reporting? I sure didn't. Stop pulling words out of your ass and putting them in my mouth.

States can do whatever they want. It doesn't change what the rule book says. However, you seem insistent on just flat out denying that this is in fact a rule change despite evidence to the contrary. You probably just think lowly high school officials shouldn't have the right to use two hands like holy college officials like yourself.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Who the hell said any state was "mandated" to use two hand reporting? I sure didn't. Stop pulling words out of your ass and putting them in my mouth.

States can do whatever they want. It doesn't change what the rule book says. However, you seem insistent on just flat out denying that this is in fact a rule change despite evidence to the contrary. You probably just think lowly high school officials shouldn't have the right to use two hands like holy college officials like yourself.

But you said it was required. In other words they have no choice. In other words they cannot choose to not follow such rules. So I guess when members of the NF choose to do something different, they must not be required to follow what you state is so important.

Oh I forgot, my state does not follow the uniform rules to the letter. We modified those rules because it was becoming a big problem and Illinois is a member of the NF. They are not a full member because they do not pay into the insurance or fees for the officials. Our state takes care of that separate from the NF, but they choose to modify or ignore the NF rule on uniforms. So much for requirements.

Peace

[SC Official]

I said it was required if your state follows strict NFHS rules; you conveniently (but not surprisingly) ignored that part of my statement. In other words (since you can't seem to comprehend what that means), most states will require it because it's in the NFHS rule and mechanics book. Since apparently Illinois is one of the leaders in making modifications to NFHS rules, that must be why it's so hard for you to understand that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I said it was required if your state follows strict NFHS rules; you conveniently (but not surprisingly) ignored that part of my statement. In other words (since you can't seem to comprehend what that means), most states will require it because it's in the NFHS rule and mechanics book. Since apparently Illinois is one of the leaders in making modifications to NFHS rules, that must be why it's so hard for you to understand that.

The reality is that most states don't follow rules across the board and have many modifications or rules or situations all over the place. And required means that you cannot under any circumstance vary from a position. So if a state or organization does not follow the strict rule as you see it, then what? Are they going to lose membership in the NF? They going to get a stern letter sent home to their parents? They going to not be allowed to play basketball anymore? If your position is that they do not follow the rules as written, that is fine. But to say something is required when there is likely no consequence or even result of not following this situation, then what?

I just gave an example of a rule that the IHSA decided not to follow because it caused local problems that the IHSA Board got tired of dealing with as it related to uniforms. They stopped trying to uphold this standard because the NF is not the one that pays for uniforms and to stop having every game with a technical foul over the fact that a side-panel might be a centimeter outside of the current rule, they said we will do something else. My understanding, nothing has been done to the IHSA for their position. They still go to the NF meetings and vote for rules changes like everyone else. So what is the requirement mean again?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

If your state chooses to follow NFHS rules exclusively, it's not just acceptable–it's required.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No it is not. Rules and mechanics are not seen in the same light by the National Federation. And there are already states that do many little things that are even specific to those places when it comes to rules.

Peace

Originally Posted by SC Official

I said it was required if your state follows strict NFHS rules; you conveniently (but not surprisingly) ignored that part of my statement. In other words (since you can't seem to comprehend what that means), most states will require it because it's in the NFHS rule and mechanics book. Since apparently Illinois is one of the leaders in making modifications to NFHS rules, that must be why it's so hard for you to understand that.

Nothing new here...you were clear and correct.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Nothing new here...you were clear and correct.

Surprise, surprise.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Nothing new here...you were clear and correct.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Surprise, surprise.

It was not about you being clear. But you probably did not realize that either.

Peace