NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

When they're out of the box in a college game, it's usually, "Holy ****, look at where HE is." Whack.

And NCAA-M and NCAA-W are recommending extending the coaching box to 38'

[Nevadaref]

There is too much involvement in the game from the coaches. We have gone from captains talking to officials and picking FT shooters to coaches doing that, from no coaching box to 6 feet, to 14 feet, to 28 feet, and from players requesting time-outs to coaches doing it during play.

The rules committee has lost the proper balance and coaches are now over-emphasized. It's unfortunate. The trend is now to give coaches more freedoms and more power, yet less responsibility.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is too much involvement in the game from the coaches. We have gone from captains talking to officials and picking FT shooters to coaches doing that, from no coaching box to 6 feet, to 14 feet, to 28 feet, and from players requesting time-outs to coaches doing it during play.

The rules committee has lost the proper balance and coaches are now over-emphasized. It's unfortunate. The trend is now to give coaches more freedoms and more power, yet less responsibility.

Would you prefer this coaching box:

[Nevadaref]

Is it filled with water?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Is it filled with water?

Soundproof?

[coach41]

Funny - I worked some 7th grade (boys and girls) tournament games over the weekend with a couple of officials from my group in the Bay Area.

We talked about the new rules but habits die hard. I was using one hand to report though I'll switch to two hand eventually. I still have some kids and adult league games I work so plenty of time to practice.

The new warning rule is interesting though I didn't apply it. I had a bang-bang play that I called a block and the coach went ballistic. She was yelling at me and stomping her feet. After I reported the foul I issued the technical. I assume that would be considered a major situation!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is too much involvement in the game from the coaches. We have gone from captains talking to officials and picking FT shooters to coaches doing that, from no coaching box to 6 feet, to 14 feet, to 28 feet, and from players requesting time-outs to coaches doing it during play.

The rules committee has lost the proper balance and coaches are now over-emphasized. It's unfortunate. The trend is now to give coaches more freedoms and more power, yet less responsibility.

Coaches in every sport that I can think of are apart of the game and the decision making process. I really do not care either way. We have tools to take care of them if they get out of hand. We really need to get over it honestly.

Peace

[Rich]

As a part-time HS administrator, I've learned that the coaches are the ones that (we hope) stay through many classes of kids. Kids and their parents come and go -- it's the coach that provides continuity of the program.

For some reason, some officials think they should be marginalized / minimized -- I find that ludicrous.

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is too much involvement in the game from the coaches. We have gone from captains talking to officials and picking FT shooters to coaches doing that, from no coaching box to 6 feet, to 14 feet, to 28 feet, and from players requesting time-outs to coaches doing it during play.

The rules committee has lost the proper balance and coaches are now over-emphasized. It's unfortunate. The trend is now to give coaches more freedoms and more power, yet less responsibility.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is too much involvement in the game from the coaches. We have gone from captains talking to officials and picking FT shooters to coaches doing that, from no coaching box to 6 feet, to 14 feet, to 28 feet, and from players requesting time-outs to coaches doing it during play.

The rules committee has lost the proper balance and coaches are now over-emphasized. It's unfortunate. The trend is now to give coaches more freedoms and more power, yet less responsibility.

I agree completely, and I think it's yet anothertrickle-down from college. Coaches are the most important personalities in college basketball because their year-to-year presence provides the continuity needed by the big dollar TV contracts. Players turn over in one to three years so coaching personality is the only consistent factor in the college game and is the major way in which the game ismarketed. (sure, there are exceptions, such as the tournament Cinderella teams that emerge every late March)

Yes, coaches in all sports provide direction, but in no other sport do we see coaches hollering instructions virtually every second of every game. Extending the coaching box is more than a policing issue, it shows an unfortunate NFHS buy-in to the marketing of coaches and the continued diminution of what should be its core goal of letting the kids play. We don't allow coaches to stand at second base, or on the blue line, or next to to the umpire during a goal-line stand, why is it OK for them to wander all the way down the court.

The excuse given, that smaller box serves to "limit the level of communication between coach and players" shows this rule change to be a solution in search of a problem.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Yes, coaches in all sports provide direction, but in no other sport do we see coaches hollering instructions virtually every second of every game. Extending the coaching box is more than a policing issue, it shows an unfortunate NFHS buy-in to the marketing of coaches and the continued diminution of what should be its core goal of letting the kids play. We don't allow coaches to stand at second base, or on the blue line, or next to to the umpire during a goal-line stand, why is it OK for them to wander all the way down the court.

In football they allow coaches to be on the sideline for most of the field. What does standing on a base or not standing on a base have to do with this issue? Coaches in many sports including baseball have privileges that extend beyond the actual playing of the game. In baseball that is the only sport that allows a coach to stop the game just to argue a judgment that is being called by an official. So though a coach is not allowed to stand on second base, he can certainly go to second base if he does not like a call there.

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

The excuse given, that smaller box serves to "limit the level of communication between coach and players" shows this rule change to be a solution in search of a problem.

Well I might agree if not every level to some extend had this ability to move that far. Even college is now extending their coaching box this coming year. I got tired of having to worry about where a coach was standing for the most part when they were not doing or saying anything.

Peace

[SC Official]

I honestly can't see why or how anyone would be upset with extending the box. We have so much administrative nonsense that the NFHS requires us to deal with, and this is making our job easier. The only thing different for me is that now the coach can come down to the end line and chew my ass when I'm at L and I can't penalize him for being outside the box, but I can now officially warn or perhaps even whack him for his behavior.

Comparing sports is apples-to-oranges, as JRut noted.

[Freddy]

Seems as though the NFHS came out with somewhat of a revision to its "Two-Handed Reporting" protocol yesterday. The second to last stipification seems a little odd, but nothing that can't be sorted out in real life.

www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/two-hand-foul-reporting/

Two-hand Foul Reporting
By NFHS on June 07, 2017

TWO-HAND FOUL REPORTING
(Rule 2-9-1 Signals)

The Official will move to the designated reporting area on the floor.

Make sure that you have the attention of the scorer prior to giving the numbers.

Indicate the color of the jersey for the player who fouled.

The Official shall report fouls to the scorer by using two hands to display the jersey number of the person who committed the foul.

The official’s right hand will indicate the first digit of the number or the tens and the left hand will indicate the second digit of the number or the ones.

The official shall extend the arms shoulder high towards the table to display the numbers.

The digits of the number should be displayed at the same time.

When reporting, the official shall verbalize the number as twenty-four not two-four.

The scorer will view the number in a left-to-right sequence.

Indicate the type of foul using the proper signal.

If one, two or three free throws are to be attempted, indicate the number of free throws by using one hand.

If the team is in the bonus for the seventh, eight of ninth foul, indicate the bonus situation raising both hands and display a raised index finger on each hand.

If the foul is a team control foul, after the official signals the specific type of foul, the official will turn and signal such with an extended arm, closed fist parallel to the table and side line, indicating no free throws will be attempted.

After reporting and if no free throws are to be attempted, the official will turn from the table and indicate the throw-in spot to resume play.

[JRutledge]

What was the revision? Sounds like this is the same things we were asked to do without two hands being used?

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

I agree completely, and I think it's yet anothertrickle-down from college. Coaches are the most important personalities in college basketball because their year-to-year presence provides the continuity needed by the big dollar TV contracts. Players turn over in one to three years so coaching personality is the only consistent factor in the college game and is the major way in which the game ismarketed. (sure, there are exceptions, such as the tournament Cinderella teams that emerge every late March)

Yes, coaches in all sports provide direction, but in no other sport do we see coaches hollering instructions virtually every second of every game. Extending the coaching box is more than a policing issue, it shows an unfortunate NFHS buy-in to the marketing of coaches and the continued diminution of what should be its core goal of letting the kids play. We don't allow coaches to stand at second base, or on the blue line, or next to to the umpire during a goal-line stand, why is it OK for them to wander all the way down the court.

The excuse given, that smaller box serves to "limit the level of communication between coach and players" shows this rule change to be a solution in search of a problem.

They don't get the whole court. They get 1/3 of that.

Your attempt to minimalize coaches is noted, although I think it's misguided. Kids come and go. The best programs are usually that way because of the influence and continuity the coach provides.