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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:42pm
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Mechanic for inbound violation - 3ft rule

In the South Carolina vs Duke NCAA game, a SC player started to run the endline during a spot throw-in.
The official called the violation, followed by the traveling signal.

What is the proper NFHS mechanic for this violation?
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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:09pm
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There is none. Isn't in the NCAA, either. If what you say is true, it is regrettable that the official used this signal, in part because it perpetuates the myth that the traveling rule is in effect during throw-ins. There are many coaches who believe a thrower cannot move at all, when in reality he/she gets the 3ft box to stay on or over.

If it were me, I sell it by blowing my whistle, pointing vigorously to the spot a couple of times, and then pointing the other direction.


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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:15pm
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In the South Carolina vs Duke NCAA game, a SC player started to run the endline during a spot throw-in.
The official called the violation, followed by the traveling signal.

What is the proper NFHS mechanic for this violation?
The NFHS Rules Book has pictures of the signals in the back. This one is picture #7, but the movement isn't clear in the diagram. The older books have a better description of it.
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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:55pm
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Right, and keep in mind that most of the time, for this and other violations that do not have a mechanic, the official is verbally explaining quite loudly... at least that is what I do. Not that my way is the best/correct way but at least everyone involved clearly understands what happened.
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Old Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:27am
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There are many coaches who believe a thrower cannot move at all ...
Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Don't move”, said to an inbounding player, by an official, before a designated spot throw-in, is another statement that should probably go unsaid. According to the rules, that player can move laterally within a three foot wide area, can jump up, and can move as far back as time, and space, will allow. Better statement: “Designated spot”, while pointing to the spot.

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Old Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:33am
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There is no signal. I would just go up with an open fist and yell "violation...spot throw in" and point.

It definitely is not a travel. It doesn't help our cause when NCAA tournament officials use the travel signal for this violation, which we saw on Sunday.
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Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Don't move”, said to an inbounding player, by an official, before a designated spot throw-in, is another statement that should probably go unsaid. According to the rules, that player can move laterally within a three foot wide area, can jump up, and can move as far back as time, and space, will allow. Better statement: “Designated spot”, while pointing to the spot.
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It is not out job to tell them what the rule is. And players understand the basic difference between "Don't move" and "I can run?" If that is too hard for them to understand, then so be it. Because that is the only distinction that matters to them. If they think it means they cannot move, then I guess they cannot pass the ball, because that takes movement to do so.

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Old Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:33pm
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Travel ???

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... players understand the basic difference between "Don't move" and "I can run?"
Some have opined that it's not just players that may not fully understand the rule.

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There are many coaches who believe a thrower cannot move at all ...
The rare official (many of us have observed this at least once, especially on the subvarsity level) using the travel signal for this violation doesn't help matters.
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It is not out job to tell them what the rule is. And players understand the basic difference between "Don't move" and "I can run?" If that is too hard for them to understand, then so be it. Because that is the only distinction that matters to them. If they think it means they cannot move, then I guess they cannot pass the ball, because that takes movement to do so.

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I agree. I typically say, "You're stuck," when they don't have running endline privileges. I have had zero issues ever.
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Old Tue Mar 21, 2017, 07:03pm
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I agree. I typically say, "You're stuck," when they don't have running endline privileges. I have had zero issues ever.
Not a great choice of words. The player could think that you won't let him move at all. I suggest that you use, "Hold your spot" or "Spot throw-in."
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There is none. Isn't in the NCAA, either. If what you say is true, it is regrettable that the official used this signal, in part because it perpetuates the myth that the traveling rule is in effect during throw-ins. There are many coaches who believe a thrower cannot move at all, when in reality he/she gets the 3ft box to stay on or over.

If it were me, I sell it by blowing my whistle, pointing vigorously to the spot a couple of times, and then pointing the other direction.


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Not the first time its been done in the NCAA
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Not a great choice of words. The player could think that you won't let him move at all. I suggest that you use, "Hold your spot" or "Spot throw-in."
I always say "This is your spot." It's probably not perfect, but it works.
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