Coaches who are also Officials

[OrStBballRef]

Was doing a VB game this year and home team coach does officiate some on the weekend (kids/travel/high school rec stuff)...

1Q my first whistle of the game was on a drive originating from the C....I'm the lead see the contact, give partner first crack and then I put a whistle on it. It was late, probably later than it should have been, but it was the right call.

I go over the report and coach isn't pleased. I admit it was late, but it was the right call. Coach then proceeds to explain "I ref and the rule book says you don't call a foul that late."

I'm of the school that if you officiate, especially at a high level, you should know better than bark and chirp at an official as it can be a difficult game to call. However, thinking a coaches mindset will change because they officiate sometimes doesn't change the end result of their behavior....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Was doing a VB game this year and home team coach does officiate some on the weekend (kids/travel/high school rec stuff)...

1Q my first whistle of the game was on a drive originating from the C....I'm the lead see the contact, give partner first crack and then I put a whistle on it. It was late, probably later than it should have been, but it was the right call.

I go over the report and coach isn't pleased. I admit it was late, but it was the right call. Coach then proceeds to explain "I ref and the rule book says you don't call a foul that late."

I'm of the school that if you officiate, especially at a high level, you should know better than bark and chirp at an official as it can be a difficult game to call. However, thinking a coaches mindset will change because they officiate sometimes doesn't change the end result of their behavior....

No such thing as a late call. Notice he didn't argue the correctness of the call.. Next!

[OrStBballRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

No such thing as a late call. Notice he didn't argue the correctness of the call.. Next!

Nope he didn't...sometimes I'll throw out a 'That ### rule must be in rule 11 right coach?" just to see if they really have read the rule book as much as they profess to do

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Nope he didn't...sometimes I'll throw out a 'That ### rule must be in rule 11 right coach?" just to see if they really have read the rule book as much as they profess to do

When I get persistent chirping about a rule, I flat out tell the coach that I know the rule book better than he does.

[jpgc99]

In a setting like you've described, I typically have a shorter rope when the coach makes a point to tell me that he is an official or used to be an official.

If he's an official, he should already understand how to respectfully approach me to ask a question.

I'm not giving him any benefit of the doubt when there is poor behavior. Because he should already know what is coming.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Was doing a VB game this year and home team coach does officiate some on the weekend (kids/travel/high school rec stuff)...

1Q my first whistle of the game was on a drive originating from the C....I'm the lead see the contact, give partner first crack and then I put a whistle on it. It was late, probably later than it should have been, but it was the right call.

I go over the report and coach isn't pleased. I admit it was late, but it was the right call. Coach then proceeds to explain "I ref and the rule book says you don't call a foul that late."

I'm of the school that if you officiate, especially at a high level, you should know better than bark and chirp at an official as it can be a difficult game to call. However, thinking a coaches mindset will change because they officiate sometimes doesn't change the end result of their behavior....

What I'd want to say, "Coach, you throw a garbage rule like that at me again and I'll call a technical foul."

What I'd actually do is ignore him and tune him out. If he gets my attention again, it had better be for a timeout.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

What I'd want to say, "Coach, you throw a garbage rule like that at me again and I'll call a technical foul."

What I'd actually do is ignore him and tune him out. If he gets my attention again, it had better be for a timeout.

Any time a coach starts a sentence or a phrase with "You..." it will never end well. These are borderline automatic warnings, if not T's, for me.

Had a game this season where a coach said "You can't call the armbar if..." I tuned him out after that and said that's enough. He didn't shut up. Whack.

Some coaches, officials or otherwise, just don't get it and this is the only way they'll learn.