High School State Finals (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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First shot is a good no-call. It looks funny b/c A1's knee contacts B1's leg and causes both of them to go off-balance.

On the 2nd shot, I can understand why the C called a foul, but looking at the replay I think it was just incidental contact.

[BryanV21]

[QUOTE=JRutledge;1002052]Play #1:



In the first play it looks like the defender got to the spot first, and then jumped straight up (vertical).

The defender in the second play did not get to the spot of contact first, hence the pushing call.

[Rich]

That was my point.

But as long as gets two feet down in the path prior to contact and prior to the offensive player going airborne, it generally can't be a defensive foul unless the player is moving forward.

Even if he didn't have LGP, he would've established it prior to contact.

[BryanV21]

When I see a dribbler trying to go around a guard, and that guard steps sideways into the shooter, I don't see how that is a charge.

That's what I thought I saw here before going frame by frame to see that the guard stepped sideways before contact with the dribbler/shooter occurred.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

When I see a dribbler trying to go around a guard, and that guard steps sideways into the shooter, I don't see how that is a charge.

That's what I thought I saw here before going frame by frame to see that the guard stepped sideways before contact with the dribbler/shooter occurred.

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It doesn't take frame-by-frame to see that. Where does the contact occur? Offense into the defender's torso or defender's side into the offense's side?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It doesn't take frame-by-frame to see that. Where does the contact occur? Offense into the defender's torso or defender's side into the offense's side?

Good point. I was mainly just watching the defender.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Good point. I was mainly just watching the defender.

That should make it more obvious, not less. Where on the defender does the contact occur? If the defender is moving is the contact on the part of the defender's body in the direction of movement? If so, block, if not, charge (or no call).

Examples:
Defender moving left, contact on left....block.
Defender moving left, contact on front...charge.
Defender moving forward, contact on front, block.
Defender moving back, contact on front, charge.
Defender moving left & back, contact on left, block.
Defender moving left & back, contact on front, charge.
Defender moving left, contact on right, charge.
etc.

Due to the amount of contact, there may not be a foul, but the above is what foul, if any, you should have based on the direction of movement in combination with the point of impact.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

When I see a dribbler trying to go around a guard, and that guard steps sideways into the shooter, I don't see how that is a charge.

That's what I thought I saw here before going frame by frame to see that the guard stepped sideways before contact with the dribbler/shooter occurred.

Even if the guard is still stepping sideways at the time of contact, the guard still has LGP, unless the offensive player's head and shoulders have passed the guard.

[Rich]

Even if you DON'T think he had initial LGP (he did), he gets two feet down in the path of an offensive player short of contact and establishes it.

[JRutledge]

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

When I see a dribbler trying to go around a guard, and that guard steps sideways into the shooter, I don't see how that is a charge.

If you can't tell the difference between a dribbler and a shooter, ....