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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 01:09am
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Violation Rule - Backcourt (Video)

Was a violation to be called? Why or why not?



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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 02:52am
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No possession in frontcourt...play on
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 03:23am
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No possession in frontcourt...play on
Right result, wrong reason. Possession in the frontcourt isn't actually required.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 06:45am
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The official chopped the clock, so I'm going with "Yes, he touched the ball."

As for the violation...this is the infamous situation, isn't it? By the letter of the rule, this is a violation. By clarification and case plays and reiteration of the four things that must occur for a BC violation, it is nothing.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 07:15am
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No Violation ...

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted, by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt, or a missed foul shot attempt, if the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted, by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:44am
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Right result, wrong reason. Possession in the frontcourt isn't actually required.
“During the throw-in, 10-seconds, 3-seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.” NFHS Rulebook

Doesn't frontcourt control have to be established before we can have a backcourt violation? I may be misunderstanding your response.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:07pm
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“During the throw-in, 10-seconds, 3-seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.” NFHS Rulebook

Doesn't frontcourt control have to be established before we can have a backcourt violation? I may be misunderstanding your response.
"Control inbounds" is needed. That control does not need to be in the FC.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:33pm
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“During the throw-in, 10-seconds, 3-seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.” NFHS Rulebook

Doesn't frontcourt control have to be established before we can have a backcourt violation? I may be misunderstanding your response.
Team control, yes. Frontcourt status, yes. "Possession" in the frontcourt, which I read to be player control (a player holding or dribbing in the frontcourt), no.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:52pm
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Team control, yes. Frontcourt status, yes. "Possession" in the frontcourt, which I read to be player control (a player holding or dribbing in the frontcourt), no.
As I recall, "team control" under the inbounding specs tweaked a handful of years ago pertains ONLY for the aspect of calling fouls on the inbounding team (so free throws won't be shot).

Do I remember correctly or did I get kicked in the head by Grayson Allen, or whatever, and jumble the interpretation?
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As I recall, "team control" under the inbounding specs tweaked a handful of years ago pertains ONLY for the aspect of calling fouls on the inbounding team (so free throws won't be shot).

Do I remember correctly or did I get kicked in the head by Grayson Allen, or whatever, and jumble the interpretation?
You remember correctly.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 01:50pm
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NFHS, NCAA Men's /Women's: No Backcourt Violation.

FIBA: Backcourt Violation:

MBA/WNBA: I do not know.

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