Shooter called for PC foul (Video)

[diehardmason]

Tough but Good call.


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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

White committed two charges before he released the the ball.

And both charge calls are easy calls to make.

MTD, Sr.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

White committed two charges before he released the the ball.

And both charge calls are easy calls to make.

MTD, Sr.

How could WHITE commit a charge when they were on defense?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

How could WHITE commit a charge when they were on defense?

We know he made a mistake on the color. However, I'll answer your question just the same.

Nothing about a "charge" is specific to the offense.

Both the offense and defense can commit a blocking foul and both the offense and defense can commit a charging foul. Only when either type of foul happens to be committed by a player in control of the by a player of the team in control do they become player or team control fouls.

Some people mistakenly use the two as if they're synonymous. Charging, as defined, is running into another player without reference to who has the ball.

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

The sub-parts of this article do not necessarily limit charging to only being possible by an offensive player but clarify situations when it is an offensive player.

[DrPete]

That was a good "NO preliminary signal" from the lead. Not sure which way he was going to call, but by delaying, it may have avoided a blarge. He was patient and let the center go with his call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

White committed two charges before he released the the ball.

And both charge calls are easy calls to make.

MTD, Sr.

I agree.

Originally Posted by DrPete

That was a good "NO preliminary signal" from the lead. Not sure which way he was going to call, but by delaying, it may have avoided a blarge. He was patient and let the center go with his call.

The Center has the best look at the amount of displacement on this play. It is also a primary defender during a drive from above the FT line. This is an outside officials call, not the Lead's. No secondary defender is ever involved in this action.

[#olderthanilook]

I agree...great mechanic by the L to blow and hold. He was gonna punch it if the C didn't. Can tell by the way he started to turn his shoulders.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The Center has the best look at the amount of displacement on this play. It is also a primary defender during a drive from above the FT line. This is an outside officials call, not the Lead's. No secondary defender is ever involved in this action.

I agree that he shouldn't have blown the whistle in the first place.... BUT.... since he did, it was a good job of not showing early, as it may have just compounded the quick whistle.

[Kansas Ref]

That was a text book example of how these potentially problematic events should be adjudicated--good coordination between L and C.

[BigCat]

If you referee by the words in the rule book you might say the first contact was a player control foul. If you call that a foul regularly you will not be refereeing Kentucky v Georgia...and probably many other places imo.
The second contact occurs opposite side of paint from C. Nothing else happening for the L. I think it was a good job from both of them. C blew and held and saw L wasnt selling so he went with it. Around here, we say blow and hold from the outside simply because we know how hard it is for the lead to lay off when someone is falling at his feet. If leads not selling then C is free to take off with it. Which he did and i agree with call.

I dont know if anyone else notices this but when i see plays live, like this,fouls seems pretty clear. Slo mo im looking at it and saying what contact made defender go back like that. Slo mo can play tricks...i think...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

If you referee by the words in the rule book you might say the first contact was a player control foul. If you call that a foul regularly you will not be refereeing Kentucky v Georgia...and probably many other places imo.
The second contact occurs opposite side of paint from C. Nothing else happening for the L. I think it was a good job from both of them. C blew and held and saw L wasnt selling so he went with it. Around here, we say blow and hold from the outside simply because we know how hard it is for the lead to lay off when someone is falling at his feet. If leads not selling then C is free to take off with it. Which he did and i agree with call.

I dont know if anyone else notices this but when i see plays live, like this,fouls seems pretty clear. Slo mo im looking at it and saying what contact made defender go back like that. Slo mo can play tricks...i think...

Get the first Charge and you won't have to worry about the game becoming physical. And don't hand me this crap that if you call the first one you won't be calling games at this level.

MTD, Sr.