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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 12:16pm
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Shooter called for PC foul (Video)

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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 12:19pm
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Good PC call IMO. Defender was legal and shooter makes contact with elbow on way up.
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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 01:31pm
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Tough but Good call.


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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:35pm
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White committed two charges before he released the the ball.

And both charge calls are easy calls to make.

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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:36pm
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That was a good "NO preliminary signal" from the lead. Not sure which way he was going to call, but by delaying, it may have avoided a blarge. He was patient and let the center go with his call.
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Old Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:42pm
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White committed two charges before he released the the ball.

And both charge calls are easy calls to make.

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That was a good "NO preliminary signal" from the lead. Not sure which way he was going to call, but by delaying, it may have avoided a blarge. He was patient and let the center go with his call.
The Center has the best look at the amount of displacement on this play. It is also a primary defender during a drive from above the FT line. This is an outside officials call, not the Lead's. No secondary defender is ever involved in this action.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:56am
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I agree...great mechanic by the L to blow and hold. He was gonna punch it if the C didn't. Can tell by the way he started to turn his shoulders.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:07pm
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The Center has the best look at the amount of displacement on this play. It is also a primary defender during a drive from above the FT line. This is an outside officials call, not the Lead's. No secondary defender is ever involved in this action.
I agree that he shouldn't have blown the whistle in the first place.... BUT.... since he did, it was a good job of not showing early, as it may have just compounded the quick whistle.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 03:15pm
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That was a text book example of how these potentially problematic events should be adjudicated--good coordination between L and C.

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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 03:55pm
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If you referee by the words in the rule book you might say the first contact was a player control foul. If you call that a foul regularly you will not be refereeing Kentucky v Georgia...and probably many other places imo.
The second contact occurs opposite side of paint from C. Nothing else happening for the L. I think it was a good job from both of them. C blew and held and saw L wasnt selling so he went with it. Around here, we say blow and hold from the outside simply because we know how hard it is for the lead to lay off when someone is falling at his feet. If leads not selling then C is free to take off with it. Which he did and i agree with call.

I dont know if anyone else notices this but when i see plays live, like this,fouls seems pretty clear. Slo mo im looking at it and saying what contact made defender go back like that. Slo mo can play tricks...i think...
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If you referee by the words in the rule book you might say the first contact was a player control foul. If you call that a foul regularly you will not be refereeing Kentucky v Georgia...and probably many other places imo.
The second contact occurs opposite side of paint from C. Nothing else happening for the L. I think it was a good job from both of them. C blew and held and saw L wasnt selling so he went with it. Around here, we say blow and hold from the outside simply because we know how hard it is for the lead to lay off when someone is falling at his feet. If leads not selling then C is free to take off with it. Which he did and i agree with call.

I dont know if anyone else notices this but when i see plays live, like this,fouls seems pretty clear. Slo mo im looking at it and saying what contact made defender go back like that. Slo mo can play tricks...i think...


Get the first Charge and you won't have to worry about the game becoming physical. And don't hand me this crap that if you call the first one you won't be calling games at this level.

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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:58pm
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Get the first Charge and you won't have to worry about the game becoming physical. And don't hand me this crap that if you call the first one you won't be calling games at this level.

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I'm not handing anything to you. Watch basketball. That's not enough for a foul...at this level...high school level...maybe a foul in grade school. Did these fellows call it? Of course u know better.?

And I'm sure now you are going to tell everyone about your experience ....and if anyone disagrees with you they simply don't understand...

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Old Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:35am
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There were 3 possible fouls on the play....
1. The initial bump at the top near the FT line. If called, it would be a charge.
2. The defender's left arm far from vertical across the shooters right arm (illegal use of hands).
3. Then the torso contact at the end (a charge).
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Old Tue Feb 21, 2017, 09:31am
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#1 just isn't getting called. There just isn't enough there.

I think it's surprising in a good way they got this offensive foul at all -- but it's a good reminder that the C sometimes has the best look through the players.
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#1 just isn't getting called. There just isn't enough there.

I think it's surprising in a good way they got this offensive foul at all -- but it's a good reminder that the C sometimes has the best look through the players.
Agree, was just noting that IF there were to be a foul there, it would have been a charge. I'd pass on that too.

I might however, be more inclined to get the defensive hit on the arm before the charge.
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