IW - Time out by time not in control

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wyo96

IMO the only rules support would be 10-5-1b: "Attempting to influence an officials decision".

There would have to be history and an extreme situation for me to use this to call a "T", but I think the rule could support a "T".

If you have to bend and mold the rule that much to justify a T for a situation that happens on a regular basis: don't.

If anyone was trying to influence your decision, it was the coach trying to get you to call a technical foul.

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by Adam

If you have to bend and mold the rule that much to justify a T for a situation that happens on a regular basis: don't.

If anyone was trying to influence your decision, it was the coach trying to get you to call a technical foul.

I agree.

The coach said he had been "T"ed twice and this is the only rule I could find that might support the other officials calling a "T" on him.

I know I never would, eat crow and move on.

[JRutledge]

I do not believe the coach. I bet he got T'd for other stuff than this situation. He probably was being a jerk while yelling for a timeout like coaches tend to be in those situations. He probably was told that he could not call for a timeout in that situation and overreacted to that response. I do not believe coaches half the darn time when they say anything in the first place.

Peace

[BigT]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not believe the coach. I bet he got T'd for other stuff than this situation. He probably was being a jerk while yelling for a timeout like coaches tend to be in those situations. He probably was told that he could not call for a timeout in that situation and overreacted to that response. I do not believe coaches half the darn time when they say anything in the first place.

Peace

Half? should be down around 10% or less...

[crosscountry55]

Agree, enjoy your steak. Under NFHS rules, a timeout once granted (even if done so erroneously) shall be honored. Opposing coach won't be happy, and he'll have a beef (no pun intended), but it's an official's error and this is the prescribed way to move on.

At least one (both?) of the NCAA rule sets define this as an inadvertent whistle situation. No TO, give the ball back to the team in control or go POI if no team control. No talk of Ts in this situation, either. I prefer the NCAA interpretation and wish NFHS would go this route, but of course I administer under the applicable rule set de jour.

Afterthought: To clarify, if you thought the coach was calling TO but then you determine he clearly wasn't ("Five Out!"...."Time for a Rout!"), then it's just an IW and you don't need to force the coach to take a TO he wasn't requesting.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not believe the coach. I bet he got T'd for other stuff than this situation. He probably was being a jerk while yelling for a timeout like coaches tend to be in those situations. He probably was told that he could not call for a timeout in that situation and overreacted to that response. I do not believe coaches half the darn time when they say anything in the first place.

Peace

This is what I was thinking too. He probably earned two T's and found a way to blame them on some timeout situation. I've given a T to a coach who came on to the timeout and demonstratively yelled, "TIMEOUT!" after a call that didn't go his way. That same coach enjoyed a seat next to his assistants for the remainder of the game.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Opposing coach won't be happy, and he'll have a beef (no pun intended), but it's an official's error and this is the prescribed way to move on.

Rare to see a comment so well-done...

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by frezer11

This is what I was thinking too. He probably earned two T's and found a way to blame them on some timeout situation. I've given a T to a coach who came on to the timeout and demonstratively yelled, "TIMEOUT!" after a call that didn't go his way. That same coach enjoyed a seat next to his assistants for the remainder of the game.







Rare to see a comment so well-done...

Especially in this medium

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Agree, enjoy your steak. Under NFHS rules, a timeout once granted (even if done so erroneously) shall be honored. Opposing coach won't be happy, and he'll have a beef (no pun intended), but it's an official's error and this is the prescribed way to move on.

At least one (both?) of the NCAA rule sets define this as an inadvertent whistle situation. No TO, give the ball back to the team in control or go POI if no team control.

I think the effect is the same -- because once the IW happens in NCAA, the team can still be granted a TO.