IW - Time out by time not in control

[wyo96]

Same coach as running out of bounds question. This one has a steak dinner riding on it. 2 man crew, JV Boys.

Team A has the ball. Coach B yells time out and the "T" right in front of the bench has a brain fart and blows whistle to grant time out. ( I am sure most of us have done that sometime in our past)

We know right away we have an IW. Now that the ball is dead, we confirm with Coach B that he still wants the time out and we grant it. Coach A is adamant that we have to call a T on Coach B for calling a time out without the ball.

I explain it is an officials mistake and an IW. The penalty for calling an excessive time out is a T. He says he has been teched twice for calling a time out without the ball. In fact he is so confident of the rule he told me he would buy me a steak dinner if he was wrong.

Would any of you call a T for the time out? The only case I could think of was if you believed Coach B was being deceitful and tiring to show you up.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by wyo96

Same coach as running out of bounds question. This one has a steak dinner riding on it. 2 man crew, JV Boys.

Team A has the ball. Coach B yells time out and the "T" right in front of the bench has a brain fart and blows whistle to grant time out. ( I am sure most of us have done that sometime in our past)

We know right away we have an IW. Now that the ball is dead, we confirm with Coach B that he still wants the time out and we grant it. Coach A is adamant that we have to call a T on Coach B for calling a time out without the ball.

I explain it is an officials mistake and an IW. The penalty for calling an excessive time out is a T. He says he has been teched twice for calling a time out without the ball. In fact he is so confident of the rule he told me he would buy me a steak dinner if he was wrong.

Would any of you call a T for the time out? The only case I could think of was if you believed Coach B was being deceitful and tiring to show you up.

If you called a technical foul, what rules support would you have for it?

The IW made the ball dead. Either coach can request a timeout during a dead ball. Grant the timeout. Eat poop from Coach A. Put it in play.

[BigT]

Enjoy your steak!

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you called a technical foul, what rules support would you have for it?

The IW made the ball dead. Either coach can request a timeout during a dead ball. Grant the timeout. Eat poop from Coach A. Put it in play.

"Eat poop"? No, eat filet mignon. And be sure to tell that coach how you like your steak.

Sounds like a coach I had several weeks ago, who approached me during a stoppage to say, "I know you think you know the rule, but...." "Stop right there, coach."

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you called a technical foul, what rules support would you have for it?

IMO the only rules support would be 10-5-1b: "Attempting to influence an officials decision".

There would have to be history and an extreme situation for me to use this to call a "T", but I think the rule could support a "T".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wyo96

IMO the only rules support would be 10-5-1b: "Attempting to influence an officials decision".

There would have to be history and an extreme situation for me to use this to call a "T", but I think the rule could support a "T".

If you have to bend and mold the rule that much to justify a T for a situation that happens on a regular basis: don't.

If anyone was trying to influence your decision, it was the coach trying to get you to call a technical foul.

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by Adam

If you have to bend and mold the rule that much to justify a T for a situation that happens on a regular basis: don't.

If anyone was trying to influence your decision, it was the coach trying to get you to call a technical foul.

I agree.

The coach said he had been "T"ed twice and this is the only rule I could find that might support the other officials calling a "T" on him.

I know I never would, eat crow and move on.

[JRutledge]

I do not believe the coach. I bet he got T'd for other stuff than this situation. He probably was being a jerk while yelling for a timeout like coaches tend to be in those situations. He probably was told that he could not call for a timeout in that situation and overreacted to that response. I do not believe coaches half the darn time when they say anything in the first place.

Peace

[BigT]

If I am a little slow I simply look at who is taking the time out request.. check the bench color and check back who has the actually ball. If it doesn't match I ignore the coach. Or say wait until you have the ball coach. If he is jumping up and down making a scene and the other team is not attempting to score you could whack him and tell him he can talk to his kids while we shoot the T's...

LOL

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wyo96

Now that the ball is dead, we confirm with Coach B that he still wants the time out and we grant it.

One follow up note: it doesn't matter if Coach B "still wants the time out" at this point. He gets it. Once you blow the whistle to grant the TO, he no longer has a choice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

One follow up note: it doesn't matter if Coach B "still wants the time out" at this point. He gets it. Once you blow the whistle to grant the TO, he no longer has a choice.

I meant to add that to the conversation earlier. And I have an example of the rationale behind that mandate.

I once blew my whistle for the Team B coach time-out request as Team A was attempting a BC end line throw-in. After I did the obligatory "DOH" expression Team B's coach then said "That's alright, I don't want the time-out". Of course I granted it anyway.

Later on in the game Coach B told me he has done that before and I was the first official to enforce the time-out. Other officials had rescinded the time-out, but the pause in play would allow him to set up his press.

[Adam]

Yeah, I really don't mind eating a bit of crow and granting the timeout. But I'm not going to have to tell team A (or my assigner) why I allowed B to stop play without charging him his timeout.