Throw-In Issue

[deecee]

Originally Posted by ODog

I instruct the thrower-in that he/she can move back as far as they want.

At the varsity level and higher I don't instruct players anything that their coach should teach them unless they ask a question. The only thing I would remind is a defender to watch the boundary plane.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by deecee

At the varsity level and higher I don't instruct players anything that their coach should teach them unless they ask a question. The only thing I would remind is a defender to watch the boundary plane.

I agree. To me, telling them they can move backward results in one of two things: 1) They get information they should already know, or 2) that information gets misinterpreted and they violate, and then try to blame the official.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ODog

About 65-70 percent of the time, at any level (boys varsity included), if I see there's any sort of pressure being applied on the thrower-in, I instruct the thrower-in that he/she can move back as far as they want. If I see the defender is already overzealous and doing jumping jacks before the ball is even live, I also remind them to treat the throw-in plane as a wall they can't reach through until the pass is released. They don't always listen or understand, but I've tried to help them and avoid a mess, just as we do when we talk players out of the lane or tell them to stop holding/pushing.

I think it's good game management.

I don't tell the players any of those things. I just officiate the game. I think what you are doing is coaching.

[ODog]

So do you guys talk players out of the lane to avoid 3 seconds, tell post players to stop banging or ever say "hands off" out on the perimeter?

These are all things players should know already too.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by ODog

So do you guys talk players out of the lane to avoid 3 seconds, tell post players to stop banging or ever say "hands off" out on the perimeter?

These are all things players should know already too.

For the record, I have no problem with reminding a defensive player not to reach over the boundary plane. With that in mind, I think the difference in our way of thinking is that I will make a comment that may help prevent a needless foul or violation, but not so much as to put a team at an advantage. In other words, I'll talk a player out of putting themselves at a disadvantage (by needing to call a violation or foul), but I won't give them advice.

I think that telling the offense that they can move backwards is giving them advice on how to handle a situation, sort of like telling a ball handler to "fake a pass, make a pass" if they have turned it over, or something like that. I know that's a bit of an extreme example, but my point is that I'm only talking to players to help avoid an infraction. If that possibility isn't there, then I'm not talking to them, unless of course they have a question.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by ODog

So do you guys talk players out of the lane to avoid 3 seconds, tell post players to stop banging or ever say "hands off" out on the perimeter?

These are all things players should know already too.

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by ODog

So do you guys talk players out of the lane to avoid 3 seconds, tell post players to stop banging or ever say "hands off" out on the perimeter?

These are all things players should know already too.

We talk players out of violations/fouls. We don't coach them on how to play smarter basketball.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Rich

Last night we had a team call a timeout while bringing up the ball - up 10 with about 45 seconds to go.

The designated throw-in spot was at the end of the team's bench. I moved it about a foot forward, so the thrower wouldn't be pinned at the bench area, which is a standard practice where I work.

The coach decided to make this his island to die on and I pretty much ignored him, but it amused me cause I knew that the only reason he cared was because he thought the girl would be awkwardly pinned in at the bench. He promised to send me the film, I told him to go for it, and we all know I'll never hear from anyone.

As I was about to bounce the ball, I told the inbounder that she could go as far back as she liked. Yes, it was within earshot of that coach.

We have a MS gym here (also hosts JV games for a preseason tournament) that has non-retracting baskets that overhand about 2-3 feet onto the court. If we have a throw in anywhere near them, we move them one way or the other, and just say something along the lines of, "We're going to move you here, that basket (point) is out of bounds." Never have heard of anyone complaining, I'm surprised someone made a big deal about it in your game, especially since I'm assuming you would extend their team the same courtesy.

[crosscountry55]

Rich, you crack me up.

As for my 2¢, if a defender is close to the line I will usually, as a preventative measure, say, "Don't reach over, (color)." Of course half the time they do anyway, but if it's very minor and doesn't affect the TI pass, I'll save my whistle for another time. But if I do need to make a DOG call (or worse), no one can claim I didn't do what I could to prevent it.


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[crosscountry55]

I feel like we already had this "coaching vs. preventive officiating" debate a few weeks ago.

The jury is split and the horse is dead. I'm ready to move on, anyone else with me?


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[BigT]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

i feel like we already had this "coaching vs. Preventive officiating" debate a few weeks ago.

The jury is split and the horse is dead. I'm ready to move on, anyone else with me?


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+1

[Rich]

I usually say "EASY" in a lot of these situations. Sounds a lot less specific and I get the same result.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by rich

i usually say "easy" in a lot of these situations. Sounds a lot less specific and i get the same result.

+1

[Raymond]

On a designated spot throw in I'll tell the thrower-in that it's a spot throw in and he can go as far as back as he wants.

I will continue to do it that way. I do it for all the teams.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On a designated spot throw in I'll tell the thrower-in that it's a spot throw in and he can go as far as back as he wants.

I just say, "That's your designated spot".

Our local mechanic is to only do this on backcourt endline throwins, where there can be two options: designated spot, or run the endline.