Throw-In Issue

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

No. It isn't too late. You might not blow the whistle on the first one for whatever reason...happened quick etc. Doesn't mean you are ignoring anything. Tell player once then call foul.

I will say hands off when the arm goes out. Before contact. Call it coaching or whatever you want but makes the game better.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

... not reach over line.

Sounds good. Just don't simply tell them not to cross the line, because they may think that that refers to their feet and not their hands and feet.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

I just say "hands" and let them decide what they are going to do. I still call a foul when it is appropriate, but usually say that a few times where the defender makes a decision. It does not prevent every situation, but it often confirms the foul.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds good. Just don't simply tell them not to cross the line, because they may think that that refers to their feet and not their hands and feet.

If you are trying to give a rules clinic every situation you will take games hours. Not sure why this seems to be your goal, but we tell players and coaches a lot of things that are incomplete and do not tell the entire story.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you are trying to give a rules clinic every situation you will take games hours.

Big difference between a high school varsity game and a Catholic middle school game. Most high school varsity games require little, or no, preventive officiating. Catholic middle school games might require some preventive officiating, sometimes something as basic as where players stand on marked lane spaces, and what "one and one" means.

A lot of Catholic middle school games require a "How To Tie Your Sneakers So They Stay Tied" clinic, but I let my partner handle those.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you are trying to give a rules clinic every situation you will take games hours.

"Don't cross over the line."

"Don't reach over the line."

Saying one over the other may add seconds to a game.

Not saying either may lead to a few extra violations that may add a few seconds to the game as well.

Remember we're talking Catholic middle school games here.

[JRutledge]

I say similar things at the high school level that I would at the middle school (not sure why Catholic or any private school matters). When they do something, they get penalized. I try my best to not nitpick things that are minor. Call the obvious for the most part.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... not sure why Catholic ... matters.

We don't see too many second, and third, graders playing in our public middle school leagues.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Call the obvious for the most part.

Agree.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BigCat

No. It isn't too late. You might not blow the whistle on the first one for whatever reason...happened quick etc. Doesn't mean you are ignoring anything. Tell player once then call foul.

I will say hands off when the arm goes out. Before contact. Call it coaching or whatever you want but makes the game better.

You have made my point exactly. You say it when the hand or arm goes out BEFORE contact. That is preventative officiating. When the hand is already on, and the phrase becomes "hands off" then your are coaching, not preventing and by doing so, you are ignoring a 10-1-4 foul.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnny d

You have made my point exactly. You say it when the hand or arm goes out BEFORE contact. That is preventative officiating. When the hand is already on, and the phrase becomes "hands off" then your are coaching, not preventing and by doing so, you are ignoring a 10-1-4 foul.

If I'm telling a kid what to do or not to do, before or after he does something somebody can always say that's coaching if they want. Frankly, there are things I see that I could call a foul and, for one reason or another I don't. Technically could be foul called but try to stop it before I really have to call it. Post play etc. We are probably not far apart. Im pretty aggressive calling handchecks on dribbler. Still have hard time calling foul when player holding ball and defender puts hand on him. I tell him get it off rather than say nothing and then call foul. If he takes off on dribble and hand stays then I call foul. Saying hands off then would be ignoring a foul as you say.

And my phrase is always hands off. Even as they are reaching out.

[Rich]

I usually say "EASY" in a lot of these situations. Sounds a lot less specific and I get the same result.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by rich

i usually say "easy" in a lot of these situations. Sounds a lot less specific and i get the same result.

+1

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Mostly caused by poor coaching.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Don't move”, said to an inbounding player, by an official, before a designated spot throw-in, is another statement that should probably go unsaid. According to the rules, that player can move laterally within a three foot wide area, can jump up, and can move as far back as time, and space, will allow. Better statement: “Designated spot”, while pointing to the spot.

Kinda interesting....

From CCA Mechanics manual:

Section 12
Article 1:

When an official calls a violation:

A. Simultaneously give a single sharp blast of the whistle, stop the clock using straight arm and open hand, then drop whistle from the mouth. More than one blast should be used in unusual situations.

B. Move toward the area of violation, stop, then signal the nature of the violation. Simultaneously call out the color of the team entitled to the ball and point in the direction of their goal. Never turn your back when indicating the direction.

C. Indicate the throw-in spot and inform the player that he/she may not leave the spot.

D. Make eye contact with your partners prior to placing the ball at the player’s disposal for the throw-in or placing it on the floor if the team is not at the spot in time.

E. After boxing in players, hand, bounce or put the ball at the disposal of thrower and begin the visible five second count.

[Raymond]

On a designated spot throw in I'll tell the thrower-in that it's a spot throw in and he can go as far as back as he wants.

I will continue to do it that way. I do it for all the teams.

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