Throw-In Issue

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by ODog

So do you guys talk players out of the lane to avoid 3 seconds, tell post players to stop banging or ever say "hands off" out on the perimeter?

These are all things players should know already too.

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

No. It isn't too late. You might not blow the whistle on the first one for whatever reason...happened quick etc. Doesn't mean you are ignoring anything. Tell player once then call foul.

I will say hands off when the arm goes out. Before contact. Call it coaching or whatever you want but makes the game better.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BigCat

No. It isn't too late. You might not blow the whistle on the first one for whatever reason...happened quick etc. Doesn't mean you are ignoring anything. Tell player once then call foul.

I will say hands off when the arm goes out. Before contact. Call it coaching or whatever you want but makes the game better.

You have made my point exactly. You say it when the hand or arm goes out BEFORE contact. That is preventative officiating. When the hand is already on, and the phrase becomes "hands off" then your are coaching, not preventing and by doing so, you are ignoring a 10-1-4 foul.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnny d

You have made my point exactly. You say it when the hand or arm goes out BEFORE contact. That is preventative officiating. When the hand is already on, and the phrase becomes "hands off" then your are coaching, not preventing and by doing so, you are ignoring a 10-1-4 foul.

If I'm telling a kid what to do or not to do, before or after he does something somebody can always say that's coaching if they want. Frankly, there are things I see that I could call a foul and, for one reason or another I don't. Technically could be foul called but try to stop it before I really have to call it. Post play etc. We are probably not far apart. Im pretty aggressive calling handchecks on dribbler. Still have hard time calling foul when player holding ball and defender puts hand on him. I tell him get it off rather than say nothing and then call foul. If he takes off on dribble and hand stays then I call foul. Saying hands off then would be ignoring a foul as you say.

And my phrase is always hands off. Even as they are reaching out.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you have to say "hands off" it is already to late to be considered preventative officiating. At this point you either need to call the foul or ignore a clear violation of 10-1-4.

I just say "hands" and let them decide what they are going to do. I still call a foul when it is appropriate, but usually say that a few times where the defender makes a decision. It does not prevent every situation, but it often confirms the foul.

Peace