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[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

There's still a few varsity games in the Twin Cities metro that are 2-person for varsity... I've got one tonight in fact. But two-person varsity is down to basically small charter schools (and one conference that only uses 3-person "sometimes", but at least one of the coaches in that league is pushing for 3-person for every game).

Outstate... I've heard tell that some areas literally don't have enough officials for three-person games at the varsity level (mainly in the northern part of the state), but that's all hearsay on my end.


Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.

[BillyMac]

Many are commenting on the "seatbelt rule".

I thought that most states went to the coaching box when it was offered as an option many years ago? Are there still states where the coach has to be seated 95% of the game, only rising to call timeouts, congratulate players, ask about a correctable error, etc.?

Or by "seatbelt rule", are Forum members talking about the removal of coaching box privilege after a coach is charged with a technical foul?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or by "seatbelt rule", are Forum members talking about the removal of coaching box privilege after a coach is charged with a technical foul?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

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Thank you.

Are there any states that do not use the coaching box?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

I've had 25-25 scores for teams that were trying to score!! I am surprised about the OT tactic though, it seems to me that any time a team is trying to stall, they inevitably turn it over if the possession is longer than about 45 seconds or so.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Most likely Team B was just as responsible because they played passive defense.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Hell, my game tonight was 17-10 at halftime, and ended with a final score in the neighborhood of 38-30. And they were trying to score, it was just a defensive struggle (I think there were at least 15 blocked shots).

There was a boys state final here a few years ago that went to something like 4 overtimes, and in each overtime the team that won the toss held the ball for the first 3:50 of the overtime period. And this was a game between two of the largest schools in the state.

Even with that, I still don't think we need a shot clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

There was a boys state final here a few years ago that went to something like 4 overtimes, and in each overtime the team that won the toss held the ball for the first 3:50 of the overtime period.

Solution:

The rules already allow the coaches, by agreement with the Referee (in Varsity games) to shorten the length of a quarter.

So, when one team is holding, and the other is playing back, the coaches negotiate a shorter quarter (say :30), the R agrees, the timer sets the clock and re-starts it.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Solution:

The rules already allow the coaches, by agreement with the Referee (in Varsity games) to shorten the length of a quarter.

So, when one team is holding, and the other is playing back, the coaches negotiate a shorter quarter (say :30), the R agrees, the timer sets the clock and re-starts it.

That should have happened. There's no reason for everyone to stand around with their hands in their pocket for 3:50.

[Kansas Ref]

What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

Better hourly pay?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

they don't like standing around for 3.5 minutes any more than we do.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Solution:

The rules already allow the coaches, by agreement with the Referee (in Varsity games) to shorten the length of a quarter.

So, when one team is holding, and the other is playing back, the coaches negotiate a shorter quarter (say :30), the R agrees, the timer sets the clock and re-starts it.

Would this be during live play or would you re-start the 30 seconds with a throw-in?

Here are the rules changes proposals.

1. Beginning with a team’s fifth foul in each quarter, shoot one-and-one; and for the seventh foul, award a bonus free throw only if the first free throw is successful. -- No. This is dumb, no other rule set does this.

2. Beginning with the eighth foul of each quarter, awarding two free-throw bonus. -- Also dumb, not other rule set does this

3. Starting a quarter – with the exception of overtime period – with team fouls at zero. -- Sure, assuming we shoot two shots on either 5th or 6th foul of quarter.

4. Assessing an administrative technical foul to the offending team for violation of the uniform, apparel, equipment and logo/trademark reference rules. -- No, currently rules are fine. Don't need to piss off coaches more.

5. Switching colored uniforms to the home team and white for the visitor. -- No. Why would this be a good idea?

6. Extending the correctable error rule to two dead balls after the error. -- Sure why not

7. Allowing officials to stop the clock and give an official warning, which is recorded in the scorebook, for unsportsmanlike behavior by the coach or team bench, when the offense falls below the threshold for a technical foul. After the official warning, any further issues result in a technical foul. -- Sure, gives officials another tool to manage coaches.

8. Allowing players to wear a bandanna style (tied) headband provided it meets color and width requirements. -- Sure, they allow it in the college game and there is no real safety issue.

9. Extending the optional coaching box to the end line (28 feet). -- Yes, but stress the importance of staying in the box to the coaches and allow officials to call a 1-shot POI technical for coaching box violations.

10. Beginning each quarter with team fouls at zero and start shooting bonus one-and-one at five fouls and bonus two shots at seven fouls in each quarter. -- No. Not sure how this is different from the ones above.

11. Reducing the number of time-outs from three 60-second and two 30-second time-outs to two 60-second and two 30-second time-outs per game. (Add one 30-second to overtime) -- No. Timeouts are fine as they are.

12. Initiating 30-second shot clock for boys and 35-second shot clock for girls. -- Yes to shot clock but it should be the same for boys and girls. 30 seconds.

13. Changing game from four quarters to two 20-minute halves (keep the bonus at seven team fouls, one-and-one, and 10 team fouls for two shots). --Hell no.

14. Charging an indirect technical to the head coach for any illegal uniforms or illegal apparel: headbands, wristbands, arm or leg compression sleeves. -- No. Current rules are fine and we don't need to piss off coaches more

15. Eliminating the bonus and shooting two free throws after the fifth foul in each quarter – with the foul count restarting in each quarter. -- Heck yes. Or we could make it after the 6th foul

16. Reducing time-outs by one. -- Not necessary

17. Beginning with the seventh team foul in each quarter, award a two-shot free-throw penalty, and erase team fouls beginning in each quarter. -- No

18. Eliminating closely guarded count during a live dribble in the frontcourt or backcourt. -- Yes, but only if we have a shot clock.

19. Eliminating time-outs granted to coaches during a live ball. -- Not really necessary or a good idea IMO