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[SC Official]

Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.

I agree with all of this. Eliminate all of the "fashion" rules. Who cares?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.

Regarding 4: I like the added incentive to behave that the seatbelt rule provides.

[Rich]

Most times in the games I work a technical foul ends the behavior that earned the coach one in the first place.

I don't know if that would be the case if the coach didn't have to sit afterwards. I don't have much data on that since I only work a few junior college games a year and can only remember 1 head coach technical in those over the past 7-8 years.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

[SC Official]

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

WHAT???? That is remarkably awesome.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

As long as officials aren't avoiding TCB because of their knowledge of the fine that will result, I have no problem with the process.

My experience in other states that fine coaches is that associations and officials took more crap because they were aware of the fine and didn't want to appear heavy handed.

(If there's a fine for a single technical foul, that's ludicrous, IMO.)

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin has gone from way behind most everyone in implementing 3-person officiating to almost 100% at the varsity level.....and other places are still using 2 officials.

I'm thankful, but find it hard to believe.

I am working 3 youth games on Saturday morning 2-person (5 minutes from home, $35, games on the hour) and I wonder how many times I'll forget to look in the corner or go opposite as the L on free throws.

OnTopic: I think the shot clock is an unneeded expense and should be left up to the states by the NFHS.)

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as officials aren't avoiding TCB because of their knowledge of the fine that will result, I have no problem with the process.

My experience in other states that fine coaches is that associations and officials took more crap because they were aware of the fine and didn't want to appear heavy handed.

(If there's a fine for a single technical foul, that's ludicrous, IMO.)

The fine is for getting ejected.

And I agree with you on TCB. I've encountered more than one official who won't toss coaches because of the fine, but overall I think the fine and suspension do a pretty decent job of curtailing the behavior.

OT: One coach a couple weeks ago got whacked in the first quarter. Last couple minutes of the game he went apes*it and got tossed, charging after the ejecting official. He got suspended for the rest of the season by the district and ended up resigning.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regarding 4: I like the added incentive to behave that the seatbelt rule provides.

Respectfully: You think the threat of ejection isn't incentive enough? I'm with SC Official on this one (fine or no fine). I hate the seatbelt rule.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

There's still a few varsity games in the Twin Cities metro that are 2-person for varsity... I've got one tonight in fact. But two-person varsity is down to basically small charter schools (and one conference that only uses 3-person "sometimes", but at least one of the coaches in that league is pushing for 3-person for every game).

Outstate... I've heard tell that some areas literally don't have enough officials for three-person games at the varsity level (mainly in the northern part of the state), but that's all hearsay on my end.


Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.

[BillyMac]

Many are commenting on the "seatbelt rule".

I thought that most states went to the coaching box when it was offered as an option many years ago? Are there still states where the coach has to be seated 95% of the game, only rising to call timeouts, congratulate players, ask about a correctable error, etc.?

Or by "seatbelt rule", are Forum members talking about the removal of coaching box privilege after a coach is charged with a technical foul?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or by "seatbelt rule", are Forum members talking about the removal of coaching box privilege after a coach is charged with a technical foul?

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[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

I've had 25-25 scores for teams that were trying to score!! I am surprised about the OT tactic though, it seems to me that any time a team is trying to stall, they inevitably turn it over if the possession is longer than about 45 seconds or so.