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[SE Minnestoa Re]

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

[SC Official]

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

WHAT???? That is remarkably awesome.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I hate babysitting coaches, and that includes the seatbelt rule. Especially for indirect T's. I don't think making coaches sit because of the way their bench acts is necessary-this coming from someone who does not put up with BS from assistants.

At least for SC, if the $300 fine and suspension aren't enough of a deterrent from poor behavior, the seatbelt rule isn't going to do anything. If more T's happen because of no seatbelt rule, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Just toss the coach if he continues to act up after the first T. Force the coach to be in control of his own behavior, standing or sitting.

As long as officials aren't avoiding TCB because of their knowledge of the fine that will result, I have no problem with the process.

My experience in other states that fine coaches is that associations and officials took more crap because they were aware of the fine and didn't want to appear heavy handed.

(If there's a fine for a single technical foul, that's ludicrous, IMO.)

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin has gone from way behind most everyone in implementing 3-person officiating to almost 100% at the varsity level.....and other places are still using 2 officials.

I'm thankful, but find it hard to believe.

I am working 3 youth games on Saturday morning 2-person (5 minutes from home, $35, games on the hour) and I wonder how many times I'll forget to look in the corner or go opposite as the L on free throws.

OnTopic: I think the shot clock is an unneeded expense and should be left up to the states by the NFHS.)

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

As long as officials aren't avoiding TCB because of their knowledge of the fine that will result, I have no problem with the process.

My experience in other states that fine coaches is that associations and officials took more crap because they were aware of the fine and didn't want to appear heavy handed.

(If there's a fine for a single technical foul, that's ludicrous, IMO.)

The fine is for getting ejected.

And I agree with you on TCB. I've encountered more than one official who won't toss coaches because of the fine, but overall I think the fine and suspension do a pretty decent job of curtailing the behavior.

OT: One coach a couple weeks ago got whacked in the first quarter. Last couple minutes of the game he went apes*it and got tossed, charging after the ejecting official. He got suspended for the rest of the season by the district and ended up resigning.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The fine is for getting ejected.

And I agree with you on TCB. I've encountered more than one official who won't toss coaches because of the fine, but overall I think the fine and suspension do a pretty decent job of curtailing the behavior.

OT: One coach a couple weeks ago got whacked in the first quarter. Last couple minutes of the game he went apes*it and got tossed, charging after the ejecting official. He got suspended for the rest of the season by the district and ended up resigning.

Wow...

[Rich]

I've ejected 2 coaches in 30 years. One was in year 4 or 5 and one was in year 9 or 10. It's been that long. One JV head coach who followed me to the locker room at HALFTIME (I told him to stay in the locker room) and one Christian (non-affiliated) HS head coach.

Probably one we should've run about 10 years ago here, but he was the one I let get away (with it).

Stuff like that just shouldn't happen much in HS hoops.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've ejected 2 coaches in 30 years. One was in year 4 or 5 and one was in year 9 or 10. It's been that long. One JV head coach who followed me to the locker room at HALFTIME (I told him to stay in the locker room) and one Christian (non-affiliated) HS head coach.

Probably one we should've run about 10 years ago here, but he was the one I let get away (with it).

Stuff like that just shouldn't happen much in HS hoops.

Rich what was said/done with these to push you to ejection?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BigT

Rich what was said/done with these to push you to ejection?

The varsity one was a second technical foul. The first came on the first foul of the game where my partner called a block and the coach came up off his seat onto the court and started screaming at him and quickly picked up a technical foul. I sent him packing when he started in on me in the second quarter and persisted even though I warned him and probably warned him again.

The JV one -- he got a technical foul in the first half and when we were walking to the locker room he "jumped" us and started telling us how horrible we were. I gave him one chance to walk away, then I told him he was ejected. Long time ago now and I probably was a lot worse than I am now, but still...

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

OT: One coach a couple weeks ago got whacked in the first quarter. Last couple minutes of the game he went apes*it and got tossed, charging after the ejecting official. He got suspended for the rest of the season by the district and ended up resigning.

Good luck collecting the $300 fine.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Good luck collecting the $300 fine.

In VA, the school gets a $500 fine when a coach gets ejected. Many schools make the coach pay it.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Good luck collecting the $300 fine.

Not really sure what you mean by this. The SCHSL has its flaws, but fine collection is not one of them. Any coach or AD with half a brain is well aware of this penalty.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Not really sure what you mean by this. The SCHSL has its flaws, but fine collection is not one of them. Any coach or AD with half a brain is well aware of this penalty.

I was talking about the guy who got suspended and then resigned. Did they really maintain jurisdiction over him after he left so that they could collect?


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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regarding 4: I like the added incentive to behave that the seatbelt rule provides.

Respectfully: You think the threat of ejection isn't incentive enough? I'm with SC Official on this one (fine or no fine). I hate the seatbelt rule.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.

There's still a few varsity games in the Twin Cities metro that are 2-person for varsity... I've got one tonight in fact. But two-person varsity is down to basically small charter schools (and one conference that only uses 3-person "sometimes", but at least one of the coaches in that league is pushing for 3-person for every game).

Outstate... I've heard tell that some areas literally don't have enough officials for three-person games at the varsity level (mainly in the northern part of the state), but that's all hearsay on my end.


Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.