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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 12:29pm
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Not being allowed to play until corrected I would consider as a penalty
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 12:32pm
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Not being allowed to play until corrected I would consider as a penalty
Not one strong enough so that I haven't had to tell a number of players and coaches about illegal undershirts, leg sleeves, headbands, etc. I guess I wasn't clear enough about what penalties I was referring to.

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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 12:37pm
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I wouldnt mind some admin T's here for apparel that isnt dangerous but the nfhs doesnt seem to want to do the bifurcation needed to make this work
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 12:27am
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Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 10:18am
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Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.
I agree with all of this. Eliminate all of the "fashion" rules. Who cares?
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 10:42am
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Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.
Regarding 4: I like the added incentive to behave that the seatbelt rule provides.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 11:12am
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Most times in the games I work a technical foul ends the behavior that earned the coach one in the first place.

I don't know if that would be the case if the coach didn't have to sit afterwards. I don't have much data on that since I only work a few junior college games a year and can only remember 1 head coach technical in those over the past 7-8 years.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 11:20am
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Shot clock is really hard to administer with two officials. In Minnesota, most games outside the metro are still two officials.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 06:04pm
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Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.
I agree with most except they should shrink the coaching box

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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 01:43pm
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What does this mean? What does the second part of this change--one-and-one at 5 and one-and-one at 7?

1. Beginning with a team’s fifth foul in each quarter, shoot one-and-one; and for the seventh foul, award a bonus free throw only if the first free throw is successful.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 01:37pm
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Wouldn't the official warning just end up being like an unpunished 3rd technical foul. I'm not a fan of that one.

Don't like halves. Men's college is the only basketball that uses it and I hope they switch in the not too distant future.

Would love a shot clock.
Would love fouls reset at quarters and shoot at 5.
Don't need any more technical fouls added to the books, especially for clothing.

And, even though it wasn't asked I'll chime in on the seatbelt. Get rid of it. It's not enforced around here anyway - not with any consistency.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 02:34pm
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Don't like halves. Men's college is the only basketball that uses it and I hope they switch in the not too distant future.

Would love a shot clock.
Would love fouls reset at quarters and shoot at 5.
Don't need any more technical fouls added to the books, especially for clothing.
I don't mind halves, but I like what NCAA-W has done with quarters and two shots at five. Prevents a lot of rough play on the front end of 1-and-1s. So if remaining at or reverting to quarters in order to employ this bonus scheme, I'm all for it.

Agree, but I'm with Rich in that this should be a state-by-state adoption, formally endorsed by NFHS as an option. There are some places where it just wouldn't be necessary; very few of the possessions I've seen this year have been of the "delay" variety. For those states that do add the SC, I wouldn't mind a multi-year phasing-in period so that states/schools have time to plan for funding of the new equipment and rules modifications.

Agree.

And lastly, I'm going to respectfully disagree with Rich on the coach TO issue. I concur that I usually know when to anticipate a TO call by the coach, and with three of us on the floor, at least one of us will usually get it right away. But there are occasional times when we just don't see or hear the request, and then the coach blames us and things get testy. I also hate when, on a loose ball, I have to figure out player control while a voice behind me---who is usually the HC but sometimes isn't---is calling for TO, and process all of that information in less than a second. I'd rather I just have to get the TO request from a player in my field of vision.

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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 02:40pm
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I don't mind halves, but I like what NCAA-W has done with quarters and two shots at five. Prevents a lot of rough play on the front end of 1-and-1s. So if remaining at or reverting to quarters in order to employ this bonus scheme, I'm all for it.

Agree, but I'm with Rich in that this should be a state-by-state adoption, formally endorsed by NFHS as an option. There are some places where it just wouldn't be necessary; very few of the possessions I've seen this year have been of the "delay" variety. For those states that do add the SC, I wouldn't mind a multi-year phasing-in period so that states/schools have time to plan for funding of the new equipment and rules modifications.

Agree.

And lastly, I'm going to respectfully disagree with Rich on the coach TO issue. I concur that I usually know when to anticipate a TO call by the coach, and with three of us on the floor, at least one of us will usually get it right away. But there are occasional times when we just don't see or hear the request, and then the coach blames us and things get testy. I also hate when, on a loose ball, I have to figure out player control while a voice behind me---who is usually the HC but sometimes isn't---is calling for TO, and process all of that information in less than a second. I'd rather I just have to get the TO request from a player in my field of vision.
It appears as if you are breaking up your posts in hopes of avoiding the $10 fine for excessive words in a post. I suppose i won't ever be able to collect that either…

On a serious note, i'm ok with the seatbelt rule simply because so many coaches want to stand all the time. It's just another reminder that they need to modify their behavior or go start the bus.

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It appears as if you are breaking up your posts in hopes of avoiding the $10 fine for excessive words in a post. I suppose i won't ever be able to collect that either…

On a serious note, i'm ok with the seatbelt rule simply because so many coaches want to stand all the time. It's just another reminder that they need to modify their behavior or go start the bus.
I would love for HS to get rid of the seat belt rule and go to a 28' coaching box. I would pull the trigger on a lot more T's by lowering my threshold for bullcrap. Then the coaches could go about their business of coaching their teams and I wouldn't have to worry about whether or not they were standing or sitting. The more freedoms the coaches have, the less feeling of angst I feel in popping them.
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Old Thu Feb 09, 2017, 03:11pm
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I would love for HS to get rid of the seat belt rule and go to a 28' coaching box. I would pull the trigger on a lot more T's by lowering my threshold for bullcrap. Then the coaches could go about their business of coaching their teams and I wouldn't have to worry about whether or not they were standing or sitting. The more freedoms the coaches have, the less feeling of angst I feel in popping them.
I guess part of my liking the seat belt rule is that i come from a place where the coach would say "i coached Monday through Thursday. They know what to do." I'm fine with coaches standing and coaching. Some though, maybe many, try to become part of the game….put on show for themselves etc…

I guess i would add that it doesn't even enter my mind that if i call a T the coach will have to sit. I just don't care about that. Now after he's got one i certainly want to be sure that if he's going to get another one its going to be obvious to everyone.

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