Weird Coaching Box Situation

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm thinking this is one of those things that I wouldn't give a crap about unless the coach made it a big deal. I mean, what is it, two-three feet to the table for him to take a drink? Must just be me but who cares?

Depending on the size of the table, its probably a little further, but I think that I conditionally agree. By that I mean, if it was a college size court, and they use an 8 foot table, he's walking pretty far. On short courts with longer tables? It's probably a lot closer, and not something I would consider to be much an issue. For the same reason that if a coach is 2-3 steps outside of his box giving orders to his kids, if he's coaching, and not complaining, then I'm pretty lenient. In the OP, he walked to the table, said something to his team, and returned to the bench. As long as its a non-issue, I'd prefer to leave it a non-issue.

And I agree entirely with the "breaking into jail" comment. I'm not sure I've heard that description used, but that's exactly what this was. What did you expect the AD to say when you come looking for trouble? I'd rather him tell the truth about the conversation, but I don't think I'd ever get to that point.

[CJP]

I never really gave this any thought until reading this thread, but I now realize that I don't like the coach's box. There are coaches who feel the need to be on their feet the entire game and I don't think they are actually coaching. Don't get me wrong, I have seen very good coaches who are on their feet actually doing good things with their players. For the most part, I think coaches are on their feet to give the appearance that they are doing something.

[BillyMac]

Coaches yelling at officials from anywhere outside the coaching box (and, of course, yelling at the officials from inside the coaching box) annoy me.

Coaches coaching from outside the coaching box usually don't annoy me, unless they're way down in the corner, or standing in front of the table, with standing in front of the table being the greater annoyance to me.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CJP

I never really gave this any thought until reading this thread, but I now realize that I don't like the coach's box. There are coaches who feel the need to be on their feet the entire game and I don't think they are actually coaching. Don't get me wrong, I have seen very good coaches who are on their feet actually doing good things with their players. For the most part, I think coaches are on their feet to give the appearance that they are doing something.

Serious question: So?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Rich

Serious question: So?

Serious answer, I guess. The original post made me think about the big issue, in my opinion, which is coaches who must be on their feet. Hence, my comment. I think these forums can be great. I know there are a lot of topics that generate a lot of thought that I don't comment on. I shared a thought that came to mind after reading the original post. I am sure my comment will invoke someone else thought process. I am sorry it went over your head and all you can come up with is "so?".

I gave you a serious answer. Now I have some serious questions for you. What is your problem? Do you have any real friends? What is your education level?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CJP

Serious answer, I guess. The original post made me think about the big issue, in my opinion, which is coaches who must be on their feet. Hence, my comment. I think these forums can be great. I know there are a lot of topics that generate a lot of thought that I don't comment on. I shared a thought that came to mind after reading the original post. I am sure my comment will invoke someone else thought process. I am sorry it went over your head and all you can come up with is "so?".



I gave you a serious answer. Now I have some serious questions for you. What is your problem? Do you have any real friends? What is your education level?

I want to know why coaches standing and not coaching is such a problem. Last thing I want to do is have to police coaches who are standing and not coaching. Or have a seatbelt rule, which I lived through for about 12 of my first 30 years. I've said here before that I'd give coaches the full 28 feet as they get in the NCAA.

All of my friends are officials. 2 Masters degrees.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Rich

I want to know why coaches standing and not coaching is such a problem. Last thing I want to do is have to police coaches who are standing and not coaching. Or have a seatbelt rule, which I lived through for about 12 of my first 30 years. I've said here before that I'd give coaches the full 28 feet as they get in the NCAA.

All of my friends are officials. 2 Masters degrees.

Your two Masters Degrees sure made you advanced. I was supposed to get all that from "so"? Just ask the question for some civil dialog instead of projecting yourself.

Anyway, if coaches are not actually coaching then there is no reason for them to be on their feet. If they are constantly up and not coaching then they are more than likely complaining or officiating the game from the bench. Obviously there are issues or this thread would not have came about. I do a pretty good job of handling the situation when I have to. Probably not as good as you with your 30 years of experience but I can hold my own. The worst interaction I had with a coach was because of him standing on the floor. I was a coach before I became an official and the worst interaction I had with an official was because of issues with the coach's box. A seatbelt rule would make our lives easier but I am not advocating for that. I never said anything about policing either. A person can not like something and make it work.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by CJP

Serious answer, I guess. The original post made me think about the big issue, in my opinion, which is coaches who must be on their feet. Hence, my comment. I think these forums can be great. I know there are a lot of topics that generate a lot of thought that I don't comment on. I shared a thought that came to mind after reading the original post. I am sure my comment will invoke someone else thought process. I am sorry it went over your head and all you can come up with is "so?".



I gave you a serious answer. Now I have some serious questions for you. What is your problem? Do you have any real friends? What is your education level?

Ok so I realize the horse is probably already dead by now……but OMG. Overreaction of the year nominee! And it's only February.

Hey, CJP, apart from the fact that Rich is a distinguished moderator of this forum with the authority to ban you, he also happens to be a very good official and an upstanding gentleman.

Stop goofing off. If you'd like to unprofessionally whine without consequence, find another forum, please.


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[CJP]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Ok so I realize the horse is probably already dead by now……but OMG. Overreaction of the year nominee! And it's only February.

Hey, CJP, apart from the fact that Rich is a distinguished moderator of this forum with the authority to ban you, he also happens to be a very good official and an upstanding gentleman.

Stop goofing off. If you'd like to unprofessionally whine without consequence, find another forum, please.


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You are right, I did not handle that well. Rich mentioned that this place can get a little "toxic" at times. I was suprised that a moderator would have such a rude response. You say he is distinguished, maybe so. I have not been around long enough to see that. But in my short time I see him more as a bully. I was aware he is a moderator and expect more out of authority figures in these settings. Moderators should nurture conversation not open the door for "toxic" dialog. Regardless, I could have handled it differently. He can ban me if he wants. I won't contribute much any how.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by CJP

I never really gave this any thought until reading this thread, but I now realize that I don't like the coach's box. There are coaches who feel the need to be on their feet the entire game and I don't think they are actually coaching. Don't get me wrong, I have seen very good coaches who are on their feet actually doing good things with their players. For the most part, I think coaches are on their feet to give the appearance that they are doing something.

I have always thought this. Aside from calling out plays, what really is the point of a coach yelling the bs they do? If we were to stop and think, the more a coach yells, to me, would parenthetically mean the worse coach the are. If you have to tell your players to rebound, box out, hands up, move your feet, push it, outlet, swing it, one more pass, etc etc all the fricking time during a game, it just sounds poor to me. Means to me they didn't get taught enough in practice. I've always thought that, even all the way up to the best coaches.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by CJP

I never really gave this any thought until reading this thread, but I now realize that I don't like the coach's box. There are coaches who feel the need to be on their feet the entire game and I don't think they are actually coaching. Don't get me wrong, I have seen very good coaches who are on their feet actually doing good things with their players. For the most part, I think coaches are on their feet to give the appearance that they are doing something.

This is ridiculous. For the most part??? You're wrong. They are actually coaching, changing the defense, calling the offensive sets, changing matchups, signaling, calling timeout, etc... and they do this while standing so that they can be more easily seen and/or heard. Pay attention to your job more.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

This is ridiculous. For the most part??? You're wrong. They are actually coaching, changing the defense, calling the offensive sets, changing matchups, signaling, calling timeout, etc... and they do this while standing so that they can be more easily seen and/or heard. Pay attention to your job more.

Not that I am complaining and since you brought it up, it would be easier to pay more attention and do a better job if coaches would coach and quit trying to tell me how to do my job (while pacing in the coach's box). Plenty of good coaches out there and appreciate them.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by CJP

Not that I am complaining and since you brought it up, it would be easier to pay more attention and do a better job if coaches would coach and quit trying to tell me how to do my job (while pacing in the coach's box). Plenty of good coaches out there and appreciate them.

All coaches complain. But, contrary to your statement, for the most part, they are up to coach their team and make sure communication is received.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

All coaches complain. But, contrary to your statement, for the most part, they are up to coach their team and make sure communication is received.

I know many coaches that do not complain about hardly anything. They have a job to do and try to worry about coaching their players than telling us what to do. One of the winningest coaches in our state said, "Every time I talk to officials about a play, that is an opportunity I am not coaching my kids."

If they cannot do this in the box, then they really do not know how to coach if you ask me.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CJP

I never really gave this any thought until reading this thread, but I now realize that I don't like the coach's box. There are coaches who feel the need to be on their feet the entire game and I don't think they are actually coaching. Don't get me wrong, I have seen very good coaches who are on their feet actually doing good things with their players. For the most part, I think coaches are on their feet to give the appearance that they are doing something.

it *might* help if you thought of it as a "coaching box" and not as a "coach's box." A difference that describes the activity and not the person.

And, FWIW, I understood exactly what Rich was asking.