Coach counting

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

The crowd gesturing and disconcerting (term no longer used) are examples of unsporting conduct. Would you not agree?

No. While disconcerting is against the rules, it isn't unsporting. If it were, the NFHS penalty for it (even on a player) would be a T. Gesturing may be unsporting depend on the gesture...just as words may or may not be unsporting.

Unsporting contact from a follower would be calling an opponent things that are in any way inappropriate (racist, etc.), coming onto the court to interfere with play or object to a call (just examples, not an exhaustive list), throwing things onto the court, etc.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. While disconcerting is against the rules, it isn't unsporting. If it were, the NFHS penalty for it (even on a player) would be a T. Gesturing may be unsporting depend on the gesture...just as words may or may not be unsporting.

Unsporting contact from a follower would be calling an opponent things that are in any way inappropriate (racist, etc.), coming onto the court to interfere with play or object to a call (just examples, not an exhaustive list), throwing things onto the court, etc.

I get that. Among other things, it really comes down to one's definition of unsporting. But....

If a coach tells a ref very loudly where many can hear it, "you suck!", most refs would consider that unsporting and penalize accordingly. But if a spectator yells the same thing, refs do nothing. How can the same act be penalized at one point but not the other? That is my point as far as something that is by rule an infraction but yet refs, myself included, do not penalize it. Granted, it is a very minor/poor/exaggerated example.

Not looking for a debate, just being very technical/picky about something minor and a bit off topic.

[LRZ]

The difference is embodied the Serenity Prayer:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Although probably not a sports official, Reinhold Niebuhr knew the difference between the acts of coaches and the conduct of spectators.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

I get that. Among other things, it really comes down to one's definition of unsporting. But....

If a coach tells a ref very loudly where many can hear it, "you suck!", most refs would consider that unsporting and penalize accordingly. But if a spectator yells the same thing, refs do nothing. How can the same act be penalized at one point but not the other? That is my point as far as something that is by rule an infraction but yet refs, myself included, do not penalize it. Granted, it is a very minor/poor/exaggerated example.

Not looking for a debate, just being very technical/picky about something minor and a bit off topic.

Agree...the threshold for unsporting does indeed vary based on the expectations of the various "participants". Some know better (or at least should) and are accountable for their actions to a greater degree.