dizzy score keeper

[Nevadaref]

I'm penalizing this when it is brought to my attention.
I will have the scorer correct the book to properly reflect the player's jersey number and assess the team tech.
I'm not permitting the home team to get away with an infraction because the scorer didn't do his job properly.

[BillyMac]

A team shall not: After the 10-minute time limit: Require the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number in the scorebook ... Require a player to change to the number in the scorebook. PENALTY: Penalized when they occur.

[bbman]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A team shall not: After the 10-minute time limit: Require the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number in the scorebook ... Require a player to change to the number in the scorebook. PENALTY: Penalized when they occur.

But #3 was not in the game at time we were informed of the problem.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bbman

But #3 was not in the game at time we were informed of the problem.

But #3 had committed a foul and the number had not been changed in the book. So, now it needs to be changed.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bbman

But #3 was not in the game at time we were informed of the problem.

It's the requiring of a change in the book that triggered the T, so penalize when that occurred.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What if the player did nothing stat-wise while in the game? Still a tech? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by scrounge

It's the requiring of a change in the book that triggered the T, so penalize when that occurred.

NOT a Tech, according to either a case play or an interp.

Also not a Tech if the home book just changes the number and doesn't tell the officials until later.

I can certainly see the point that this could create some "unfairness" if the home book acted one way for the home team and one way for the visitors, but I don't see it happening often enough to be a big concern.

[Nevadaref]

There is an NFHS Interp from a few years ago which states that there is no penalty until the player returns to the game. However, that is wrong. The person who wrote that failed to recognize that by rule the scorer is to keep a record of all players (starters and substitutes) who have participated in the game. Where is that record kept?--The official scorebook. Since the kid played, he needs to be properly recorded in the book.
I agree that a team member with an incorrect number isn't penalized if he never participates.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is an NFHS Interp from a few years ago which states that there is no penalty until the player returns to the game.

*3.2.2 SITUATION C: Team A substitute No. 25 reports to the table for the first time with approximately one minute remaining in the second quarter and is beckoned onto the court. In (a), the ball is put in play by a throw-in from A1 to A2. The horn sounds and the scorer informs the officials that No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook. In (b), No. 25 plays the remainder of the second quarter. During halftime intermission, the official scorer realizes No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook and informs the officials when they return to the court before the start of the third quarter. RULING: In (a), No. 25 is currently in the game and became a player when he/she legally entered the court. Since his or her name and number must now be entered into the scorebook, a technical foul is charged to Team A. In (b), no penalty is assessed since No. 25 is not currently in the game. If No. 25 attempts to enter the game in the second half, his or her name and number will be added to the scorebook and a technical foul charged to Team A. (3-2-2b; 10- 1-2b)

[BigT]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NOT a Tech, according to either a case play or an interp.

Also not a Tech if the home book just changes the number and doesn't tell the officials until later.

I can certainly see the point that this could create some "unfairness" if the home book acted one way for the home team and one way for the visitors, but I don't see it happening often enough to be a big concern.

If there is a visitor book shouldnt they have caught this and reported it to the officials? Is this why you want to have your own book to catch mistakes like this?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BigT

If there is a visitor book shouldnt they have caught this and reported it to the officials? Is this why you want to have your own book to catch mistakes like this?

A visitor's book could certainly have caught this, but this is a pretty unusual event. More common things that get caught are score and number of fouls. When I was keeping books, the most common error was PFs (or techs) not also getting marked as TFs, and (less often) points given to the player but not the running count.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bbman

But #3 was not in the game at time we were informed of the problem.

The way this rule reads, it's not the timing of when they go in or out of the game that you go by. The violation that occurs is the changing of the book - that occurred when you caught it, whether the player was in the game or not.

[bbman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm penalizing this when it is brought to my attention.
I will have the scorer correct the book to properly reflect the player's jersey number and assess the team tech.
I'm not permitting the home team to get away with an infraction because the scorer didn't do his job properly.

I like this resolution.