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[BryanV21]

What if the player did nothing stat-wise while in the game? Still a tech? Just curious.

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What if the player did nothing stat-wise while in the game? Still a tech? Just curious.

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In this case, he can either go to the locker room and change, or we can change the book.

Had the scorer notified us as soon as he entered the game, those are the options the coach would have been given.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

In this case, he can either go to the locker room and change, or we can change the book.

Had the scorer notified us as soon as he entered the game, those are the options the coach would have been given.

What if the coach says, and is true, that he never returns to the game?

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What if the coach says, and is true, that he never returns to the game?

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That would be the third option (I forgot about that one). If he never returns, then we never have to change the book. That's probably the option I would take as a coach. It's more likely to teach the kid a lesson if he can't play.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What if the coach says, and is true, that he never returns to the game?

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In the case of the OP, his return to the game is irrelevant. The change in the book is the violation. He has participated using a number not in the book, and the book must be changed to reflect that.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Adam

In this case, he can either go to the locker room and change, or we can change the book.

I disagree. The book is currently wrong. It must be changed. The violation has occurred.

I would even submit that if he goes to the locker room and changes numbers, he's committed a SECOND violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I disagree. The book is currently wrong. It must be changed. The violation has occurred.

I would even submit that if he goes to the locker room and changes numbers, he's committed a SECOND violation.

Well, if you penalize the first, there's no further penalty for the 2nd. My understanding of the case play is that the NFHS makes us make the change if the player has created an official stat that must be entered in the book (foul or points). Otherwise, once the player has gone to the bench they don't have to make the change if he stays on the bench (or he could simply go to the locker room and put on the right number).

I could be wrong, though. That's just my read of the case play and that's how I would handle it in the game, unless I get convinced otherwise.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Adam

Well, if you penalize the first, there's no further penalty for the 2nd. My understanding of the case play is that the NFHS makes us make the change if the player has created an official stat that must be entered in the book (foul or points). Otherwise, once the player has gone to the bench they don't have to make the change if he stays on the bench (or he could simply go to the locker room and put on the right number).

I could be wrong, though. That's just my read of the case play and that's how I would handle it in the game, unless I get convinced otherwise.

When a substitute enters the game, the scorer marks off the quarter that they are entering in the scorebook, assuming they have not already been in at some point during that quarter. Does this notation not count as "an official stat?" It seems to me that if they played, then there should be record of it in the scorebook.

I believe the case book play cited by Nevada and posted by Billy is in reference to an oblivious scorekeeper, who made an unintentional error. The OP may have also meant this, but for the sake of discussion, if the scorer knew about the jersey change, and waited to tell the officials, thinking it wasn't that big of a deal, I don't think I'd go so far as to accuse that person of deliberately influencing the game, but if you knew the scorekeeper knew, does this change anyone's answer as to how to handle the situation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by frezer11

but if you knew the scorekeeper knew, does this change anyone's answer as to how to handle the situation?

You mean the score keeper intentionally makes the change in the book without telling the officials until later?

Yeah, if it's absolutely clear he was being deceptive, I'm having him replaced. That's the only thing I'm doing differently.