End of game part 2

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Unfortunately (in this case), intentional fouls are not ignored because the ball is dead. The just become T's. Intentional contact is always penalized.

Report the timeout. Report the T. Let the timeout occur. Resume after the timeout with FTs for the T.

Camron is correct. Also, restore the time to whatever the TO-granting official observed.

[jTheUmp]

Have a conference with your partners to establish the following:
1) which team called the time out. (Team B)
2) where was the status of the ball when the timeout was granted. (assuming it was before the throw-in started)
3) how much time should be put back on the clock. (2.8 seconds)
4) are we SURE the foul was intentional?

Assuming the answer to #4 is yes, do the following:

• get both coaches together, tell them what's going to happen
• Do everything in your power to avoid giving the Team B coach a T after he/she goes nuts. ("How can my kid get charged a T when he didn't know the ball was dead?")
• put 2.8 back on the clock
• report the intentional Technical foul to B1
• grant Team B the timeout
• resume the game with 2 shots for any member of Team A, and a division-line throw-in for A after the shots.
• After the game ends, get out of the gym with much quickness.

If it's determined that the foul was NOT intentional:

• get both coaches together, tell them what's going to happen
• Do everything in your power to avoid giving the Team A coach a T after he/she goes nuts ("What do you mean that wasn't an intentional foul?")
• put 2.8 back on the clock
• grant Team B the timeout
• Resume the game with a Team B throw-in on the end line.
• After the game ends, get out of the gym with much quickness.

[RefCT]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Have a conference with your partners to establish the following:
1) which team called the time out. (Team B)
2) where was the status of the ball when the timeout was granted. (assuming it was before the throw-in started)
3) how much time should be put back on the clock. (2.8 seconds)
4) are we SURE the foul was intentional?

Assuming the answer to #4 is yes, do the following:

• get both coaches together, tell them what's going to happen
• Do everything in your power to avoid giving the Team B coach a T after he/she goes nuts. ("How can my kid get charged a T when he didn't know the ball was dead?")
• put 2.8 back on the clock
• report the intentional Technical foul to B1
• grant Team B the timeout
• resume the game with 2 shots for any member of Team A, and a division-line throw-in for A after the shots.
• After the game ends, get out of the gym with much quickness.

If it's determined that the foul was NOT intentional:

• get both coaches together, tell them what's going to happen
• Do everything in your power to avoid giving the Team A coach a T after he/she goes nuts ("What do you mean that wasn't an intentional foul?")
• put 2.8 back on the clock
• grant Team B the timeout
• Resume the game with a Team B throw-in on the end line.
• After the game ends, get out of the gym with much quickness.

You forgot the most important part - call your assigner as soon as possible to alert him/her of the sh!tst0rm they are about to receive.

[johnny d]

How exactly does one determine that a foul isn't an intentional foul after an official signals the foul as such?

[Rich]

It's pretty hard to undo this train wreck after the fact.

Of course if the other official didn't signal an INT at the spot, it would be *easy* to walk that back / ignore that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

How exactly does one determine that a foul isn't an intentional foul after an official signals the foul as such?

Originally Posted by Rich

It's pretty hard to undo this train wreck after the fact.

Of course if the other official didn't signal an INT at the spot, it would be *easy* to walk that back / ignore that.

Maybe it isn't so hard....why was it intentional? Excessive contact? Or just neutralizing an obvious advantage?

If the latter there was no advantage to be neutralized since the ball was dead. I could see retracting that intentional since it no longer meets the definition of intentional. If it was excessive contact, however, that doesn't change because the ball was dead...charge it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maybe it isn't so hard....why was it intentional? Excessive contact? Or just neutralizing an obvious advantage?

If the latter there was no advantage to be neutralized since the ball was dead. I could see retracting that intentional since it no longer meets the definition of intentional. If it was excessive contact, however, that doesn't change because the ball was dead...charge it.

yep

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maybe it isn't so hard....why was it intentional? Excessive contact? Or just neutralizing an obvious advantage?

If the latter there was no advantage to be neutralized since the ball was dead. I could see retracting that intentional since it no longer meets the definition of intentional. If it was excessive contact, however, that doesn't change because the ball was dead...charge it.

This is an excellent point and wisely rules-based. But, say you walk back from the signal. How do you sum this up in one sentence or less to the incredulous coach who saw said signal?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

How exactly does one determine that a foul isn't an intentional foul after an official signals the foul as such?

Go to the guy that made the call and give him additional information. "Look, timeout was called and the ball was already dead. What have you got?"

Hopefully he'll say "Nothing, time out."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Go to the guy that made the call and give him additional information. "Look, timeout was called and the ball was already dead. What have you got?"

Hopefully he'll say "Nothing, time out."

Oh, right, you don't think a signal actually means anything.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Oh, right, you don't think a signal actually means anything.

Signal is a signal. Show me something that says a signal is irreversible.