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Old Thu Jan 05, 2017, 08:50pm
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Purdue-Ohio State block/charge (C's whistle too quick?)

3:28 second half. It was called a block and there was a double whistle. I don't believe it was an RA play, and as such I'm not sure what the defender did wrong.
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Old Thu Jan 05, 2017, 09:35pm
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I do not know either what defender did wrong? The announcers said something to effect of ''the defender [B1} did not establish [LGP] prior to A1 leaving the floor for the shot". Yet that seemed at best faulty reasoning---if not altogether teleological.
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Old Fri Jan 06, 2017, 06:37pm
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Here is the play.



This needs to be called. I see no reason the C would not make a call on this and IMO this is more his play. So no, I do not feel he is too quick. But they got together. I just feel it was wrong. I do not see what the defender did wrong. He was there before the player left the floor.

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Old Fri Jan 06, 2017, 07:02pm
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They were probably looking at that left leg dragging over after the initial set.
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Old Fri Jan 06, 2017, 07:59pm
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They were probably looking at that left leg dragging over after the initial set.
And still sliding over after the shooter left the floor....along with the torso shifting with it. If he hadn't still been moving sideways after the shooter left the floor, the contact may have not occurred or, more likely, not been as substantial. Thus, it was/is a block.
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 07:01am
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And still sliding over after the shooter left the floor....along with the torso shifting with it. If he hadn't still be moving sideways after the shooter left the floor, the contact may have not occurred or, more likely, not been as substantial. Thus, it was/is a block.
Yup, that's what I have.
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 10:50am
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Plus, the legs extend well beyond the shoulders and there is
leg contact with the shooter outside the torso. Clear block for me.
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 12:06pm
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Yeah but they sure looked bad getting together to discuss quickly -- that even goes beyond "eye contact"
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Here is the play.



This needs to be called. I see no reason the C would not make a call on this and IMO this is more his play. So no, I do not feel he is too quick. But they got together. I just feel it was wrong. I do not see what the defender did wrong. He was there before the player left the floor.

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They were probably looking at that left leg dragging over after the initial set.
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And still sliding over after the shooter left the floor....along with the torso shifting with it. If he hadn't still be moving sideways after the shooter left the floor, the contact may have not occurred or, more likely, not been as substantial. Thus, it was/is a block.
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Yup, that's what I have.
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Plus, the legs extend well beyond the shoulders and there is
leg contact with the shooter outside the torso. Clear block for me.

Jeff and I are on the same page here. Furthermore, all of the Defender's movement after he established a LGP is within his Cylinder of Verticality.

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Jeff and I are on the same page here. Furthermore, all of the Defender's movement after he established a LGP is within his Cylinder of Verticality.

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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 01:49pm
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Another good play for discussion.

P#31 was a secondary defender during OSU#3's outnumbered fastbreak drive to the basket.

IMO, P#31 moved laterally when OSU#3 was airborne and the contact occurred.

From the 2016-17 NCAA Men's Rulebook:
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Rule 4, Section 17. Guarding

Art. 6. To maintain a legal guarding position after the initial position has
been established, the guard:

e. May move laterally or obliquely to maintain position provided such a
move is not toward the opponent when contact occurs; Exception: A
secondary defender who has established initial legal guarding position on
an airborne shooter/passer may not move laterally or obliquely to maintain
legal guarding position.
The secondary defender in this position may remain
stationary or may move backwards.
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 02:15pm
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Yeah but they sure looked bad getting together to discuss quickly -- that even goes beyond "eye contact"
Obviously I'm going to agree with that statement! I was observing a high school BV game in my area the other night and there were at least 4 plays almost identical to this one and each time there wasn't even a double whistle. The C had charge of the play. He knew it, the Lead new it. Beautifully executed.
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 02:32pm
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Another good play for discussion.

P#31 was a secondary defender during OSU#3's outnumbered fastbreak drive to the basket.

IMO, P#31 moved laterally when OSU#3 was airborne and the contact occurred.

From the 2016-17 NCAA Men's Rulebook:
Question: How,when or at what point would you determine #31 to be the secondary defender? When the video begins, the dribbler has already passed #12 from Purdue just outside of the 3 pt. arc. From that point, it appears the play is just the dribbler vs. #31. Not necessarily questioning your statement. I just am not sure. Could #31 be considered the primary defender in this specific play?
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Old Sat Jan 07, 2017, 02:39pm
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Question: How,when or at what point would you determine #31 to be the secondary defender? When the video begins, the dribbler has already passed #12 from Purdue just outside of the 3 pt. arc. From that point, it appears the play is just the dribbler vs. #31. Not necessarily questioning your statement. I just am not sure. Could #31 be considered the primary defender in this specific play?
Good question. If I'm the C in transition, I would have considered P#12 the primary defender who gets passed; P#31 becomes the secondary defender.
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Cylinder of Verticality.
Is that anything like the Cone of Silence?

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