Pointing direction at tip

[BlueDevilRef]

I've been having issues with teams going wrong way, which leads to a complete Hess situation if you don't see it immediately. My problem is assuming teams know which way to go, realizing sometimes they do not. I'm going to move to pointing direction with goal being getting game off on right foot.
Thanks for your thoughts on this fellers.

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I've been having issues with teams going wrong way, which leads to a complete Hess situation if you don't see it immediately. My problem is assuming teams know which way to go, realizing sometimes they do not. I'm going to move to pointing direction with goal being getting game off on right foot.
Thanks for your thoughts on this fellers.

What level are you having this problem?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They actually told us here to blow our whistle more. So yes there are little differences. And we have not been giving a NFHS Mechanics book in over 10 years. It is not a big deal in these minor situations.

Peace

Which is exactly why I stated my awareness that not every state, including yours, uses NFHS mechanics, as you note often on this forum.

In SC, most of my partners would be perplexed if I started blowing the whistle before every throw-in I administered. Why? Because that's not the proper mechanic for my state, and the manual we use makes that clear.

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I've been having issues with teams going wrong way, which leads to a complete Hess situation if you don't see it immediately. My problem is assuming teams know which way to go, realizing sometimes they do not. I'm going to move to pointing direction with goal being getting game off on right foot.
Thanks for your thoughts on this fellers.

The Hess situation happened because the crew didn't know the rule. If the crew correctly applies the rule, the situation isn't nearly as bad as it ended up being.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

In SC, most of my partners would be perplexed if I started blowing the whistle before every throw-in I administered. Why? Because that's not the proper mechanic for my state, and the manual we use makes that clear.

What is the reference in the manual that says you point or do not point?

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What is the reference in the manual that says you point or do not point?

Peace

Nonexistent. Whereas the manual specifically addresses the whistle issue. That's the difference.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Nonexistent. Whereas the manual specifically addresses the whistle issue. That's the difference.

There are a lot of things we do as officials that never get into any manual. My point is that you cannot use the "manual" as a standard for what you do for everything or even most things. The CCA Manual is much more extensive and specific about many things you never see in the NF book, but I know I do many things the NF never talks about. This is just one of those things that are not mentioned or even covered on any level. The CCA Manual gives information about how to rotate, I do not recall I have ever seen such a thing in the NF book or a breakdown (I will go look to be sure). But that does not mean officials do not use a philosophy to rotate that might never be covered in the NF book.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There are a lot of things we do as officials that never get into any manual. My point is that you cannot use the "manual" as a standard for what you do for everything or even most things. The CCA Manual is much more extensive and specific about many things you never see in the NF book, but I know I do many things the NF never talks about. This is just one of those things that are not mentioned or even covered on any level. The CCA Manual gives information about how to rotate, I do not recall I have ever seen such a thing in the NF book or a breakdown (I will go look to be sure). But that does not mean officials do not use a philosophy to rotate that might never be covered in the NF book.

Peace

Fair enough, and I acknowledge the "when in Rome" factor. However, I consider the whistle issue that you and I are debating more comparable to an official choosing not to visibly count in the backcourt and just using the clock.

It is required, under NFHS mechanics, that you visibly count 10 seconds in the backcourt. It is required, under NFHS mechanics, to not blow the whistle before a throw-in except following a time-out, intermission, or unusual delay. It is not required (or prohibited), under NFHS mechanics, to signal the direction for each team prior to the jump ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Fair enough, and I acknowledge the "when in Rome" factor. However, I consider the whistle issue that you and I are debating more comparable to an official choosing not to visibly count in the backcourt and just using the clock.

It is required, under NFHS mechanics, that you visibly count 10 seconds in the backcourt. It is required, under NFHS mechanics, to not blow the whistle before a throw-in except following a time-out, intermission, or unusual delay. It is not required (or prohibited), under NFHS mechanics, to signal the direction for each team prior to the jump ball.

I am not even talking about a specific area thing. I am talking about there are many things we do as officials that the book never mentions or does not mention until much later. I bet if I moved to your area I would do some of the same things I do now. That is why we have these sites in the first place to discuss many aspects of officiating that have nothing to do with what is obvious or always subscribed. And the perfect example is the recently added signal for "running the end line" when we were using that signal for my entire officiating career and now it was added last year. Just like the "kick" signal that we used for at least a decade of my career, only to add the signal the the chart.

I am not suggesting either that we should have add a procedure for this. I am just saying people will continue to do it or not do it for their own reasons.

Peace