End of game situation

[just another ref]

Interesting ending to the game ahead of my games tonight. Game is tied at 67 when A1 if fouled with .6 on the clock, shooting 2. He makes the first. Coach pulls his two rebounders off the line and sends them to the other end. A1 misses the second, the ball bounces toward the corner. B1 watches the ball hit the floor and takes a position to screen off A1 in case he tries to recover it. (he doesn't) Just before the ball goes out of bounds untouched..............the horn sounds. The timer had started the clock when the ball hit the floor.


What's the call?

[rlarry]

Timer mistake.Reset the clock, B throw in, designated spot

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[deecee]

Technically you would go to the arrow, but if it were clearly going to go OOB and B was going to get the ball I would go with that, especially if the arrow went to A in this case.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by deecee

Technically you would go to the arrow, but if it were clearly going to go OOB and B was going to get the ball I would go with that, especially if the arrow went to A in this case.

Ummmmm.

So let's say B3 fires up a 3, clearly a try. Air ball. Ball bounces near the end line and goes out of bounds untouched. Are you saying we'd go to the arrow here, too? How is the OP free-throw situation any different?


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[deecee]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Ummmmm.

So let's say B3 fires up a 3, clearly a try. Air ball. Ball bounces near the end line and goes out of bounds untouched. Are you saying we'd go to the arrow here, too? How is the OP free-throw situation any different?


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Why would we go to the arrow. If the ball is live and inbounds and there is no player control or team control and we have an issue and everyone stops play (say the time runs out erroneously), what is your proper procedure for putting the ball back in play?

[rlarry]

There is team control, A1'S shot went out of bounds


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[deecee]

Originally Posted by rlarry

There is team control, A1'S shot went out of bounds


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It's a missed FT. The horn sounded before the ball went OOB (which if the horn doesn't sound or things play out the ball is going to Team B). Team A is up by 1 with .6 seconds. Those are the facts.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's a missed FT. The horn sounded before the ball went OOB (which if the horn doesn't sound or things play out the ball is going to Team B). Team A is up by 1 with .6 seconds. Those are the facts.

I see your point, but it's equating the incorrect horn with an inadvertent whistle. There's no coverage for a "false horn" in 4-36-1. This is not, IMHO, a POI situation unless the official chooses to acknowledge the horn with a whistle.


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[deecee]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I see your point, but it's equating the incorrect horn with an inadvertent whistle. There's no coverage for a "false horn" in 4-36-1. This is not, IMHO, a POI situation unless the official chooses to acknowledge the horn with a whistle.


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Except what makes the ball dead? The horn sounding the end of playing time unless the ball is in flight for a shot. This isn't a horn issue, its a timing issue.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by deecee

Except what makes the ball dead? The horn sounding the end of playing time unless the ball is in flight for a shot. This isn't a horn issue, its a timing issue.

If the clock had been properly started, I'd agree with you. But the official knew that the horn should never have sounded because he never chopped in time. So it's not a legitimate horn.

I suppose we may have to agree to disagree. This is a great play for discussion, I do admit.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by rlarry

There is team control, A1'S shot went out of bounds


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No, there's not team control. That ended as soon as A1 released the FT.
The horn does not cause the ball to become dead. Let it play out and don't blow the whistle until it hits, now you resume with B ball due to the OOB violation on A.

I get that this is slightly different because the horn signaled the end of the quarter. That horn normally causes the ball to become dead.

I'm still giving the ball to B unless the horn going off interrupted A's efforts to get the ball. If A wasn't trying (no reason they would be here), do what should have happened.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, there's not team control. That ended as soon as A1 released the FT.
The horn does not cause the ball to become dead. Let it play out and don't blow the whistle until it hits, now you resume with B ball due to the OOB violation on A.

I get that this is slightly different because the horn signaled the end of the quarter. That horn normally causes the ball to become dead.

I'm still giving the ball to B unless the horn going off interrupted A's efforts to get the ball. If A wasn't trying (no reason they would be here), do what should have happened.

Look at my play above and read entire post. Post 16. What do you do? Thx forgot to say PLEASE

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Look at my play above and read entire post. Post 16. What do you do? Thx forgot to say PLEASE

I'm with bob.

[BryanV21]

It's unlikely Team A would be able to score again in the time allotted, and would thus lose the game, leaving the HC angry and with questions about the end.

If that HC asks about it, am I just to say "I'm sorry coach, but we have to go by the rules, and the rules say this is how to handle that situation. I understand your anger, but there's nothing I can do."?