Manipulating Officials Article from 2014

[UNIgiantslayers]

It's not going to benefit them if I feel like they're trying to manipulate me. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[JRutledge]

The article was garbage then when I first read it and it is garbage now.

That is my opinion.

Peace

[just another ref]

Just my opininions:

Not a big deal, but I really don't like being called by name during the game.

I think a coach verbalizing what he's seeing has some merit. ("He's in the lane.") If you hear that, you can't help but be more likely to look at it.

Complimenting calls may be sincere, but just as often it's sarcasm or kissing up.

Adjusting to the referees is absolutely a good idea. It's true, in spite of all pleas for consistency, not all officials are alike. And if I call a travel 3 times in a row on your player's spin move, good chance I will call it the 4th time, too, in spite of the fact that "He's been doing that all year!" Asking what he needs to change may or may not be all right, depending on how it's worded.

Getting a T to "make a statement" is a terrible idea.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Just my opininions:

Not a big deal, but I really don't like being called by name during the game.

I'm the exact opposite. I prefer being called by my name. I hate being called "blue"...makes me think about the overweight slow pitch umpires.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Getting a T to "make a statement" is a terrible idea.

Maybe from a referee's perspective, but it can be an effective tool for a coach. Not in terms of getting calls, but in terms of motivating his/her team.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stripes

... but it (getting a technical foul) can be an effective tool for a coach. Not in terms of getting calls, but in terms of motivating his/her team.

... and maybe getting some parents off the coaches back (defending kids, showing some passion, etc.).

[jamesshank]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Just my opininions:

Not a big deal, but I really don't like being called by name during the game.

I think a coach verbalizing what he's seeing has some merit. ("He's in the lane.") If you hear that, you can't help but be more likely to look at it.

Complimenting calls may be sincere, but just as often it's sarcasm or kissing up.

Adjusting to the referees is absolutely a good idea. It's true, in spite of all pleas for consistency, not all officials are alike. And if I call a travel 3 times in a row on your player's spin move, good chance I will call it the 4th time, too, in spite of the fact that "He's been doing that all year!" Asking what he needs to change may or may not be all right, depending on how it's worded.

Getting a T to "make a statement" is a terrible idea.

I also don't like the coziness of being on a first name basis with a coach, I prefer to keep the relationship at a professional distance.

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[billyu2]

I think it's a great article. What an impact this could make on the game. If both coaches follow the 9 steps they each will believe they manipulated the officials and got all the 50/50 calls to go their way. Officials will feel well-respected and we will all live happily ever-after.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The article was garbage then when I first read it and it is garbage now.

That is my opinion.

Peace

I agree 100%. The day that a coach can manipulate me is the day I retire from officiating.

MTD, Sr.

[Hawkeyes]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I agree 100%. The day that a coach can manipulate me is the day I retire from officiating.

MTD, Sr.

This sounds like the robo-official... NEVER affected by a coach!
Has a coach ever ticked you off when you're in a decent mood or made you laugh when you were ticked...? I don't think all manipulation is negative and wrong?
I do know coaches don't usually say: "I'm about to skillfully influence you - watch out"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyes

This sounds like the robo-official... NEVER affected by a coach!
Has a coach ever ticked you off when you're in a decent mood or made you laugh when you were ticked...? I don't think all manipulation is negative and wrong?
I do know coaches don't usually say: "I'm about to skillfully influence you - watch out"

Getting upset with a coach and calling something in their favor or that will not upset them is a different story. I do not care what a coach complains about, I am not going to screw up again because they are upset. They need to get over it.

I had a coach yesterday try to make an issue out of the rule for a disqualification, you think I gave a damn what that coach had to say? Nope.

Peace

[Dad]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

It's not going to benefit them if I feel like they're trying to manipulate me. Quite the opposite, in fact.

This makes you even more prone to be manipulated by an intelligent coach.

Anyone who says they haven't given a 50/50 call to the coach the makes you want to work hard over the ass who balances the line all game is probably lying. I'm sure not doing it on purpose, but it's not like we can entirely control our conscience in a really loud competitive game -- sometimes it just happens.

I'm sure as hell am not going to have the mind-set of calling a game against a coach trying to manipulate me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

This makes you even more prone to be manipulated by an intelligent coach.

Anyone who says they haven't given a 50/50 call to the coach the makes you want to work hard over the ass who balances the line all game is probably lying. I'm sure not doing it on purpose, but it's not like we can entirely control our conscience in a really loud competitive game -- sometimes it just happens.

I'm sure as hell am not going to have the mind-set of calling a game against a coach trying to manipulate me.

I have never done that. I do not care what coaches complain about. I just make a mental note and do what I was doing so that when I call the same thing again, he knows why I am doing my job.

Peace

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have never done that. I do not care what coaches complain about. I just make a mental note and do what I was doing so that when I call the same thing again, he knows why I am doing my job.

Peace

Good way to look at it, but I wasn't this focused my first few years.

[UNIgiantslayers]

That's probably a fair point. Definitely something to think about.