MSU/AZ Block/Charge Play

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Dad

Why does that lose LGP?

My answer: it doesn't.

The convoluted mess I get into of beers with some of the local guys: Once you've obtained LGP you can maintain it by moving sideways or backwards. However if you don't maintain your legal guarding position you must re-establish or establish it again before your movements maintain it. Their argument is that if offense clearly gains space or a new line that the defense isn't moving to maintain their LGP but must now establish LGP again. In the case of the video this would mean the player was still establishing their LGP at the point on contact as their 2nd foot was not down.

I don't buy it but I don't have to.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

My answer: it doesn't.

The convoluted mess I get into of beers with some of the local guys: Once you've obtained LGP you can maintain it by moving sideways or backwards. However if you don't maintain your legal guarding position you must re-establish or establish it again before your movements maintain it. Their argument is that if offense clearly gains space or a new line that the defense isn't moving to maintain their LGP but must now establish LGP again. In the case of the video this would mean the player was still establishing their LGP at the point on contact as their 2nd foot was not down.

I don't buy it but I don't have to.

With no intention of commenting on this specific play, that is true. If a defender ceases to be in a guarding position (by the definition of guarding) they must reestablish LGP before they have the rights of movement to maintain it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

With no intention of commenting on this specific play, that is true. If a defender ceases to be in a guarding position (by the definition of guarding) they must reestablish LGP before they have the rights of movement to maintain it.

This is one Camron and I always agree on.

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[JRutledge]

Can someone tell me the time this took place in the actual game?

Peace

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

With no intention of commenting on this specific play, that is true. If a defender ceases to be in a guarding position (by the definition of guarding) they must reestablish LGP before they have the rights of movement to maintain it.

Mind explaining a bit? The definition for guarding leaves a lot of room for the defender to do some goofy stuff that may look like they lost a guarding position. Bar falling over or going out of bounds I can't recall the last time I called a block because a player lost an established LGP.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dad

Mind explaining a bit? The definition for guarding leaves a lot of room for the defender to do some goofy stuff that may look like they lost a guarding position. Bar falling over or going out of bounds I can't recall the last time I called a block because a player lost an established LGP.

A1 gets head, shoulders, butt, and feet all by B1 (who had LGP). B1 no longer has LGP and is no longer guarding. B1, is quick, however. B1 races to get back in the path of A1 but just gets into the path (without 2 feet down or facing). B1, in this case, does not have LGP. B1 must meet all the requirements of obtaining LGP again.

If that were not true, it could argued that once a player had LGP in the first 30 seconds of the game, that player would have it the remainder of the game.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A1 gets head, shoulders, butt, and feet all by B1 (who had LGP). B1 no longer has LGP and is no longer guarding. B1, is quick, however. B1 races to get back in the path of A1 but just gets into the path (without 2 feet down or facing). B1, in this case, does not have LGP. B1 must meet all the requirements of obtaining LGP again.

If that were not true, it could argued that once a player had LGP in the first 30 seconds of the game, that player would have it the remainder of the game.

Ahh, yeah, I agree.