Preseason T predictions?

[kenref1]

I hope that I don't have any!

[BigT]

Most good Ts call themselves and help everyone. Helps a coach start coaching instead of distracting. Helps us focus on the game instead of when to give it. Helps the kids focus on playing rather then complaining. When you vets who are so good at where and when to call a T it helps everyone here who isnt posting focus on their line in the sand to help their judgement on when its good and when its bad. Every bad T you talk about here helps someone NOT call a bad T. Every good T you call here helps someone not experience 10x before just calling it and making it a better game. Thanks Giant for sharing. Whats wrong with the rest of you.. give some more examples!

I was at the Big Mtn Jam in SLC had a two local teams and one team was thin and talented and one was a bully and had trouble controlling their bodies.

The foul count is clearly different. Most of the calls was Red running into players. In the 2nd half a girl on say Red dives for a loose ball and takes out the legs of a white player from behind. The white player falls on the red player and hits her head and my partner calls the foul on Red. Red coach figures it out he goes nuts. He wants a foul on white for falling on his girl.

We pick up the pieces and move on and now Red is down 2 points white has the ball and here comes a tired girl and runs right into a white player and we have been in the bonus for some time. Coach jumps on the bench and goes banana's. He comes at me and I calming server him some T. When he realizes he has the T he turns away and yells ******* and he is gone. They had a chance to win the game but after 6 throws and the ball it was game over. Kills me how selfish coaches are when their kids can still win a game.

Helping newer guys who visit draw the lines in fact it has helped me for years reading everything you guys say and talk about.

Thanks for the comments and everything you do to help those who visit this awesome forum.

[Pantherdreams]

For us around here it depends on the quality of the games.

The last couple of years the 2A schools on the girls side have all been pretty good, and boys have been down but all of them have been down. I find in those cases we don't see many. I often find when there is 1 or 2 very good teams in a league/conference and weaker teams you get more high emotion high conflict sort of games.

The example I will use is the 1A games in our area we have 2 girls teams and 1 boys team that is dramatically better than the rest of the league for a few years. None of the other programs seem to be building just happy to compete with each other and complain about having to play these programs. Meanwhile the top schools always feel like playing the weaker schools isn't a positive experience. These are the games that can get chippy, where emotions run high, where" how" the game is being officiated seems to be a much more emotional deal for someone. I tend to end up with more T situations in those games.

We don't have any 3A schools in our region but when they come for games I very rarely have problems as they know why they are there.

I'm not saying the level of school matters I've had great 1A games and 2A or 3A games that were gong shows. But if everyone in the game is at a competitive level even if that level is bad we don't see a lot of it, even in rivalry games. If you get matchups where both people resent being in the game, anything that happens either way that can be perceived as upsetting seems to tip the apple cart in those games.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

For us around here it depends on the quality of the games.

The last couple of years the 2A schools on the girls side have all been pretty good, and boys have been down but all of them have been down. I find in those cases we don't see many. I often find when there is 1 or 2 very good teams in a league/conference and weaker teams you get more high emotion high conflict sort of games.

The example I will use is the 1A games in our area we have 2 girls teams and 1 boys team that is dramatically better than the rest of the league for a few years. None of the other programs seem to be building just happy to compete with each other and complain about having to play these programs. Meanwhile the top schools always feel like playing the weaker schools isn't a positive experience. These are the games that can get chippy, where emotions run high, where" how" the game is being officiated seems to be a much more emotional deal for someone. I tend to end up with more T situations in those games.

We don't have any 3A schools in our region but when they come for games I very rarely have problems as they know why they are there.

I'm not saying the level of school matters I've had great 1A games and 2A or 3A games that were gong shows. But if everyone in the game is at a competitive level even if that level is bad we don't see a lot of it, even in rivalry games. If you get matchups where both people resent being in the game, anything that happens either way that can be perceived as upsetting seems to tip the apple cart in those games.

Do you have an example of a T you had to call in one of these chippy games?

[Adam]

I never make predictions. I'm more opposed to goals, though, than predictions.

It would be glorious, I suppose, if everyone behaved themselves for an entire season, but setting goals or hopes means I'll be disappointed when I have to make the call.

I do, however, hope for zero travels this year.

[jTheUmp]

As few as possible... as many as necessary.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I do, however, hope for zero travels this year.

Hope springs eternal. (Alexander Pope, An Essay on Man, 1732)

[bas2456]

Last year I had a fight in one of the first games of the season. Some kid decided to wait about a quarter and a half into his high school basketball career before he threw a punch. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

I remember setting a goal for myself last year to have zero technical fouls on coaches. It was a goal mainly to make myself be a better communicator and continue to learn how to talk with coaches to calm them down, etc.

I made it to February before I had a T on a coach. The guy definitely earned it though so I couldn't be that mad about not hitting my goal. This year I don't know that I'll set a goal for a number...I think I'll continue to work on communicating with the coaches.

In a sense, coach technical fouls should almost call themselves. We let them toe the line and, again in a sense, it should be fairly obvious when they cross that line and earn themselves the tech.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by BigT

Do you have an example of a T you had to call in one of these chippy games?

Pretty standard fair for the most part:

Team is out matched and as game goes on egos get bruised. Game gets chippy/ kids chirp and/ losing-winning coach complains about the way the game is being called and its impact on the outcome etc.

A couple of more colourful examples though.

*Double header at a private school. Boys game is going to be huge one. Girls game prior is ugly. V is up 30 early in the 2nd quarter. V coach empties the bench and game becomes much more even. V16 is probably more a manager than a player but is getting big minutes. Rowdy H student section led by what appears to be the hockey/football team getting ready for boys game notices before she shoots free throws that she adjusts straps on fitted Durant style shoes. Everytime she catches the ball the section starts yelling your shoes are untied. Continues in the 2nd half kid is clearly rattled and eventually coach takes her out. Group containing some starters comes in and goes on a quick 8-0 run to push lead to 45+. Girl who hits three turns to H student section leader and says "How about you stop yelling sh%& at my teammate, and I'll tell your gf to keep pretending to yell about your d$%(?"


*2A league game. Home team overmatching the Vistors by about 25+ late in the 3rd Home defense is keeping V frustrated. H coach seems hot about something and is talking to my partner post timeout. We resume play a couple of trips later there is collision between offensive V and defending home player. Bang Bang both players go down hard. My partner comes up with a block. A clipboard hits the floor hard on the H side. I approach the H bench with the Head Coach picking up the clipboard and sitting down. I inform him that he has to keep bench and himself under control. He responds: " I will take care of them if you do something about him. He hasn't called a charge since we got up 15 its been all blocks or no calls. When I talked to him about it he said I can't expect to get that many of those calls. I will take care of my bench if you can stop him from cheating my kids."

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Pretty standard fair for the most part:

Team is out matched and as game goes on egos get bruised. Game gets chippy/ kids chirp and/ losing-winning coach complains about the way the game is being called and its impact on the outcome etc.

A couple of more colourful examples though.

*Double header at a private school. Boys game is going to be huge one. Girls game prior is ugly. V is up 30 early in the 2nd quarter. V coach empties the bench and game becomes much more even. V16 is probably more a manager than a player but is getting big minutes. Rowdy H student section led by what appears to be the hockey/football team getting ready for boys game notices before she shoots free throws that she adjusts straps on fitted Durant style shoes. Everytime she catches the ball the section starts yelling your shoes are untied. Continues in the 2nd half kid is clearly rattled and eventually coach takes her out. Group containing some starters comes in and goes on a quick 8-0 run to push lead to 45+. Girl who hits three turns to H student section leader and says "How about you stop yelling sh%& at my teammate, and I'll tell your gf to keep pretending to yell about your d$%(?"


*2A league game. Home team overmatching the Vistors by about 25+ late in the 3rd Home defense is keeping V frustrated. H coach seems hot about something and is talking to my partner post timeout. We resume play a couple of trips later there is collision between offensive V and defending home player. Bang Bang both players go down hard. My partner comes up with a block. A clipboard hits the floor hard on the H side. I approach the H bench with the Head Coach picking up the clipboard and sitting down. I inform him that he has to keep bench and himself under control. He responds: " I will take care of them if you do something about him. He hasn't called a charge since we got up 15 its been all blocks or no calls. When I talked to him about it he said I can't expect to get that many of those calls. I will take care of my bench if you can stop him from cheating my kids."

So T's on either of these or nothing?

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by BigT

So T's on either of these or nothing?

Definitely T's on both. We ended up tossing the girl when she argued the T.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BigT

So T's on either of these or nothing?

Is this a serious question Todd? You have been working long enough to know that this is unacceptable...in both cases (although I think you get the coach for throwing the clipboard).