The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sat Oct 29, 2016, 06:45pm
9/11 - Never Forget
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 5,642
Send a message via Yahoo to grunewar
False Double Foul or Not?

A1 is dribbling down the court and at the top of the key beats defender B1. As he goes down the lane he jumps for a shot and is pushed by B1 from behind. B2 has legal guarding position in front of A1, and the push by B1 causes A1 to crash into B2 before returning to the floor. The shot is missed.

4.19.9 Situation A

Does the push, causing A1 to crash into B1, have any bearing on the ruling?
__________________
There was the person who sent ten puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar View Post
A1 is dribbling down the court and at the top of the key beats defender B1. As he goes down the lane he jumps for a shot and is pushed by B1 from behind. B2 has legal guarding position in front of A1, and the push by B1 causes A1 to crash into B2 before returning to the floor. The shot is missed.

4.19.9 Situation A

Does the push, causing A1 to crash into B1, have any bearing on the ruling?
The push by B1 from behind is a foul. You have said the push caused the crash. Give A 1 2 shots.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 30, 2016, 03:01am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar View Post
A1 is dribbling down the court and at the top of the key beats defender B1. As he goes down the lane he jumps for a shot and is pushed by B1 from behind. B2 has legal guarding position in front of A1, and the push by B1 causes A1 to crash into B2 before returning to the floor. The shot is missed.

4.19.9 Situation A

Does the push, causing A1 to crash into B1, have any bearing on the ruling?
If you were to all it, then it would be a false double foul. Foul 2 happened after the first but before the clock started following the first.

That said, I'm almost certain that the push by B1 caused it...and I didn't even see it. As such, A1 didn't foul B2 at all since A1's action didn't cause the contact. B1's actions did.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 30, 2016, 03:43am
I got a Basketball Jones!
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Hunger
Posts: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar View Post
A1 is dribbling down the court and at the top of the key beats defender B1. As he goes down the lane he jumps for a shot and is pushed by B1 from behind. B2 has legal guarding position in front of A1, and the push by B1 causes A1 to crash into B2 before returning to the floor. The shot is missed.

4.19.9 Situation A

Does the push, causing A1 to crash into B1, have any bearing on the ruling?
Go ahead, I double dare you to call it.
__________________
Lah me..
(In honor of Jurassic Ref, R.I.P.)
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 30, 2016, 10:29am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 528
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
If you were to call it, then it would be a false double foul. Foul 2 happened after the first but before the clock started following the first.
And it wasn't opponents fouling each other.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:50am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
And it wasn't opponents fouling each other.
Opponents fouling each other is not part of the definition of a FDF.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:59pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
Opponents fouling each other is not part of the definition of a FDF.
It is one of the two aspects of a double foul along with the fouls occurring at approximately the same time. For a false double foul, one of the two aspects of a double foul is absent. That is what makes it "false."
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:03pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
It is one of the two aspects of a double foul along with the fouls occurring at approximately the same time. For a false double foul, one of the two aspects of a double foul is absent. That is what makes it "false."
He meant that it's not one of the requirements for a FDF.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:01pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 528
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
He meant that it's not one of the requirements for a FDF.
Nope. I meant exactly what Nevadaref said, word for word.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 31, 2016, 11:33pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Nope. I meant exactly what Nevadaref said, word for word.
I wasn't clarifying your post. I was clarifying BNR's post, which is who Nevadaref quoted.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 01, 2016, 02:02am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,260
Just to clarify what Adam was clarifying about ODogs clarification of BNR's clarification of Nevada's comment on ODogs.....

Seriously, I have no idea who was saying what after all of that....but I think all were probably saying the same thing.

It IS a FDF both because the fouls were not at approximately the same time AND because it wasn't two opponents against each other. It only takes the absence of one to be a FDF but in this case, both elements of the double foul were absent, yet they occurred with no time having elapsed off the clock. The last point (the clock) is what leads to them being classified as a FDF instead of just two unrelated fouls.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association

Last edited by Camron Rust; Tue Nov 01, 2016 at 02:07am.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 01, 2016, 02:32am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
Just to clarify what Adam was clarifying about ODogs clarification of BNR's clarification of Nevada's comment on ODogs.....

Seriously, I have no idea who was saying what after all of that....but I think all were probably saying the same thing.

It IS a FDF both because the fouls were not at approximately the same time AND because it wasn't two opponents against each other. It only takes the absence of one to be a FDF but in this case, both elements of the double foul were absent, yet they occurred with no time having elapsed off the clock. The last point (the clock) is what leads to them being classified as a FDF instead of just two unrelated fouls.
I wish to concur with that clarification of ...
Save
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 01, 2016, 07:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
I wasn't clarifying your post. I was clarifying BNR's post, which is who Nevadaref quoted.
So --- odog's post was a false double clarification?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 01, 2016, 09:06am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
So --- odog's post was a false double clarification?
by rule, yes.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 01, 2016, 01:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
by rule, yes.
I think that is a multiple foul.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
False Double Foul? Toren Basketball 29 Wed May 02, 2012 08:06am
False double foul eyezen Basketball 16 Tue Dec 01, 2009 04:15pm
False Double Foul jc147119 Basketball 12 Fri Jan 16, 2009 05:07pm
False Multiple Foul/ False Double/etc.??? sleebo Basketball 10 Tue Jan 06, 2004 02:21am
FALSE DOUBLE FOUL brianp134 Basketball 55 Wed Sep 17, 2003 02:56pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:13am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1