Hanging on the rim

[jeremy341a]

Ball went in but that was after the defender got landed on. He had no chance to get the board (would have been tough anyways) and then zero chance to defend the putback. I think you have to get the foul here.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Ball went in but that was after the defender got landed on. He had no chance to get the board (would have been tough anyways) and then zero chance to defend the putback. I think you have to get the foul here.

I looked at it again and the ball didn't go in. You and blindoblat are correct. No T but the defender wasn't able to defend after the rebound. Foul on offense. Good calls by you both.

[HokiePaul]

Great videos to start thinking about for the upcoming season. I had nothing on all 3 initially, but after reviewing the comments, I agree that the 3rd should be a foul.

1) I'd let this go. Any pull up appeared to be him slowing his momentum and checking to see where the defender was before dropping to the ground. There didn't seem to be any intent to show up the opponent here so unless there had been something previously, I'm not jumping in on that.

2) It's a long way away, but I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt on safety. Even if he did grasp the ring, I think it was more protecting himself from hitting the rim after the pass got deflected vs gaining an advantage on the rebound.

3) Grabs the basket to prevent injury. Agree after watching the video that it should have been a foul. I'm going team control foul too. It looks like the contact occurred right after his teammate got the rebound but before the shot. No basket.

[packersowner]

I'm in the camp that holding on the rim for safety is an overused excuse. In play 1, if A flushes the dunk and momentum keeps him moving, there is no safety issue. When I see legs go swinging to me that's going to get called more times than not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I'm in the camp that holding on the rim for safety is an overused excuse.....

Excuse = person explaining himself for his actions.

We go by judgment. WE judge whether or not the player did it for safety reasons.

This isn't about proving a point about something we don't personally like. It's about adjudicating the rules with our best, unbiased judgment. Supervisors don't want officials actively looking to make "I gotcha" calls.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Excuse = person explaining himself for his actions.

We go by judgment. WE judge whether or not the player did it for safety reasons.

This isn't about proving a point about something we don't personally like. It's about adjudicating the rules with our best, unbiased judgment.

Not really, safety is the exception to the rule. Grasping the rim is a technical. My point is, the classic line from every coach regardless of what you call is going to be safety.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Supervisors don't want officials actively looking to make "I gotcha" calls.

I don't disagree and I am not going to die on this hill most days, but the opposing coach in the video, also thought it should have been called. We all have our threshold for what is unsportsmanlike and what is done for safety reasons. My point is that whenever these plays are shown, the first thing everyone goes to is safety and I think its too easy to make that excuse. I'm never going to have a problem defending either call with a supervisor, but if a supervisor looks at a tape afterwards and there isn't a safety concern, then thats on me and the opposing coach has just as much right to be upset.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by packersowner

... My point is that whenever these plays are shown, the first thing everyone goes to is safety and I think its too easy to make that excuse. I'm never going to have a problem defending either call with a supervisor, but if a supervisor looks at a tape afterwards and there isn't a safety concern, then thats on me and the opposing coach has just as much right to be upset.

My supervisors will be more upset with me for calling one that is borderline than for missing one that was there.