FT Violations

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

You didn't do many girls games, did you?

Neither did I, and I didn't see it much. I only called the double-whammy twice when it really needed to be called, once back in November and then I didn't see it again until an AAU game a few weeks back.

I admit there were several times I could have called a delayed violation on the box out guy sans foul....and like a chicken I passed on all of them. I wasn't about to be the only official in my association making that call. Clearly this rule needs a few more years to mature. It wouldn't hurt for it to be in the rule book, either!

They just need to get rid of the restriction of the defender not be able to cross the free throw line. Let them cross, and it there is illegal contact, we will call the foul.

[BryanV21]

I found it hard to determine if the defender crossed the FT line before or after the ball hit the rim. I did call it a couple of times, but it was on obvious violations.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They just need to get rid of the restriction of the defender not be able to cross the free throw line. Let them cross, and it there is illegal contact, we will call the foul.

I think that gives the non-shooter an unfair advantage. I'd agree with most others who say it's tough to call and not many call it around here either, but I can see the reasoning behind the rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I think that gives the non-shooter an unfair advantage. I'd agree with most others who say it's tough to call and not many call it around here either, but I can see the reasoning behind the rule.

I don't see the advantage of crossing the free throw line. In fact it's rather stupid for the defender to cross the free throw line instead of placing himself in front of the shooter and making the shooter responsible for any contact. Anytime I see defenders knocking free throw shooters off the free-throw line I question the basketball IQ of their coach.

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[UNIgiantslayers]

Restricting one player's movement, and not another's gives the non-restricted one an advantage. You're welcome to debate that, but you're not likely to change my mind. I wasn't posting it for argument, just my thoughts on the rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Restricting one player's movement, and not another's gives the non-restricted one an advantage. You're welcome to debate that, but you're not likely to change my mind. I wasn't posting it for argument, just my thoughts on the rule.

The free throw shooter's movements are already more restricted. I'm not concerned about the fairness or equity. As an official it is easier just to worry about the contact and not whether the defender put his foot across the line. The violation/foul combination is unnecessarily convoluted.


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[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The free throw shooter's movements are already more restricted. I'm not concerned about the fairness or equity.

So you think that the player defending a throw in should be allowed to cross the end line prior to the ball being released? I realize this is not a perfect comparison, but if you restrict one player to an area, the other players should not be allowed into that area until restricted player has the freedom to avoid the player entering that area. If the players are allowed to enter that area, then the free thrower should be allowed to leave the semi circle to avoid a player trying to box them out on a long rebound.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

If the players are allowed to enter that area, then the free thrower should be allowed to leave the semi circle to avoid a player trying to box them out on a long rebound.

I underestimated the amount of damage the UNI loss could cause…

The FTer should be allowed to leave the semi-circle….That made me chuckle

[Adam]

I like the idea of having the door closed both ways, but I also agree that there's really no advantage to be gained. It's only hard to call if you're the only one calling it. It's not hard to see, IMO.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

So you think that the player defending a throw in should be allowed to cross the end line prior to the ball being released? I realize this is not a perfect comparison, but if you restrict one player to an area, the other players should not be allowed into that area until restricted player has the freedom to avoid the player entering that area. If the players are allowed to enter that area, then the free thrower should be allowed to leave the semi circle to avoid a player trying to box them out on a long rebound.

The free throw shooter has released the ball so it's not the same as defending a throw-in. You have listed no advantage of crossing the free throw line other than the free-throw shooter doesn't get to do the same. Like I said, all the defender is going to do is cause illegal contact if he crosses the free throw line so what is the advantage?

And again I'm concerned about the officiating aspect which you are not addressing. Having to a call a violation followed by foul is very convoluted. Let's just call the foul and move on with the game.

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