FT Violations

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

mickhickva.....don't feel too bad about your situation because I have one that was far more puzzling. I was T (two person) not long ago on a FT where high post defender cleared out the FT shooter. FT unsuccessful, bonus not in effect. I'm all set to administer a substitute FT followed by ball OOB (new rule interp and case play from this past fall).

Partner gestures to meet me and says, "That's a technical foul! Two shots and the ball."

Mind you the FT was not even close to over at the time of the foul.

He almost had an argument with me on the court. I was the R....I told him I'd live and die by it, and he finally dropped it. Later he tried to explain to me that it's a technical because the ball becomes dead upon release by the FT shooter. I showed him the rule and the page from the pre-season guide last year, and he still didn't believe me. I guess you can lead the horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You need to show him the rule that shows when a ball becomes dead or when a try ends

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You need to show him the rule that shows when a ball becomes dead or when a try ends

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Rule 6. Rule 4. Rule 9. Talked about all of them. It was too much for him to process.

I did have to admit to him that it didn't help that the NFHS gooned things up by passing a so-called "national interpretation" in two parts between the pre-season guide and the annual interps last fall. If fixing that rule book editing debacle isn't the very first item on the agenda next month, they should just dissolve the committee.

[letemplay]

Could someone explain the new penalty/interp on boxing out/crossing ft line plane prior to ball hitting rim? Or is it in an earlier thread this season? Thanks.
NM...I went back and found a long thread on this last June. Curious, now that a season has passed, how much this play happened and what the outcomes/opinions were?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Could someone explain the new penalty/interp on boxing out/crossing ft line plane prior to ball hitting rim? Or is it in an earlier thread this season? Thanks.
NM...I went back and found a long thread on this last June. Curious, now that a season has passed, how much this play happened and what the outcomes/opinions were?

Went much as expected, at least around here. Most people just didn't call it unless they had to, and even then it wasn't always enforced correctly. I had a good one in the playoffs with the coach going ballistic because we re-shot for the violation and then shot a 1-and-1 for the foul. Coached argued with me for a couple minutes saying I could call one of them but not both.

Hopefully there's more consistency next(this) year.

[letemplay]

Reason I asked, I saw a play towards end of season, maybe first round of playoffs, where on first shot of 1+1 defender clearly makes contact w shooter, enough so that shooter gives him a little shove back..shot is good, no refs did a thing other than looked like T may have said "hey cut that out", C just standing there looking on. 'Course now defender still pissed from shove from shooter (as well as an under the breath comment I'd wager) that he really nails him on next shot, which also goes in, but refs have to sort of separate the 2 players and after some discussion call a double T. Clearly seemed not to have been handled correctly, but I wasn't sure. Mainly I thought C could have stepped in immediately on first shot and taken charge from get go...prob wouldn't have had the other extracurricular knuckleheadedness

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Could someone explain the new penalty/interp on boxing out/crossing ft line plane prior to ball hitting rim? Or is it in an earlier thread this season? Thanks.
NM...I went back and found a long thread on this last June. Curious, now that a season has passed, how much this play happened and what the outcomes/opinions were?

Didn't have a problem in a single game this season.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Didn't have a problem in a single game this season.

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You didn't do many girls games, did you?

Neither did I, and I didn't see it much. I only called the double-whammy twice when it really needed to be called, once back in November and then I didn't see it again until an AAU game a few weeks back.

I admit there were several times I could have called a delayed violation on the box out guy sans foul....and like a chicken I passed on all of them. I wasn't about to be the only official in my association making that call. Clearly this rule needs a few more years to mature. It wouldn't hurt for it to be in the rule book, either!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

You didn't do many girls games, did you?

Neither did I, and I didn't see it much. I only called the double-whammy twice when it really needed to be called, once back in November and then I didn't see it again until an AAU game a few weeks back.

I admit there were several times I could have called a delayed violation on the box out guy sans foul....and like a chicken I passed on all of them. I wasn't about to be the only official in my association making that call. Clearly this rule needs a few more years to mature. It wouldn't hurt for it to be in the rule book, either!

They just need to get rid of the restriction of the defender not be able to cross the free throw line. Let them cross, and it there is illegal contact, we will call the foul.

[BryanV21]

I found it hard to determine if the defender crossed the FT line before or after the ball hit the rim. I did call it a couple of times, but it was on obvious violations.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They just need to get rid of the restriction of the defender not be able to cross the free throw line. Let them cross, and it there is illegal contact, we will call the foul.

I think that gives the non-shooter an unfair advantage. I'd agree with most others who say it's tough to call and not many call it around here either, but I can see the reasoning behind the rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It wouldn't hurt for it to be in the rule book, either!

Bingo. Why does the NFHS insist on creating points of emphasis that don't make it into the rulebook (see swinging elbow fouls)? Do they expect officials to carry on these points with oral traditions, as we sing songs about these points around campfires?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Could someone explain the new penalty/interp on boxing out/crossing ft line plane prior to ball hitting rim?

Players in marked lane spaces must not move into the lane until the ball is released by the free-throw shooter. The shooter, and the players behind the three point arc, must wait until the ball hits the rim, or the backboard, before entering the lane, or penetrating the three point arc. On release of the ball by the free thrower, the defender boxing out the free thrower shall not cross the free-throw line until the ball contacts the ring, or the backboard. In addition, the free throw shooter must cause the ball to enter the basket, or touch the ring, before the free throw ends. During a free throw, no opponent, including bench personnel, may disconcert the free thrower.