NCAAM 10-second violation application...

[MechanicGuy]

On a straight forward inbounds play (full shot clock), are the officials trained to call the violation at 20 on the clock or 19?

I ask because the clock showing 20 can mean anything from 9.1 or 10 seconds have elapsed. 19 assures a full 10 seconds.

It was called near the end of the Maryland/Hawaii game with, I believe, 20 showing on the shot clock.

[Raymond]

By rule, when 20 seconds shows on the shot clock.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

By rule, when 20 seconds shows on the shot clock.

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

Who cares what the time actually is, that is how the rule is enforced.

And that is assuming you stop the clock perfectly at the 20 second mark.

Peace

[Drizzle]

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

I don't think so. On a clock without tenths, it will change from 30 to 29 instantaneously

Have you ever worked in a gym where the clock can show 0 without the horn going off?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

I think it is 10 but as someone else said its just a number. It can actually be even less. The shot clock starts on the touch not possession.
(Having some timing issues in the northern Iowa v a and m game)

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think it is 10 but as someone else said its just a number. It can actually be even less. The shot clock starts on the touch not possession.

I thought the game clock started on the touch, but shot clock was on possession.


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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I thought the game clock started on the touch, but shot clock was on possession.


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On the touch by either team when throw in involved. Shot clock starts.

[Archetype]

20. At 20 on shot clock, 10 seconds has elapsed.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Archetype

20. At 20 on shot clock, 10 seconds has elapsed.

When the clock first turns to 20, it's actually at 20.9.....

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

When the clock first turns to 20, it's actually at 20.9.....

.....which works because when the clock shows 30 it is actually 30.9.

This is a non-issue.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

.....which works because when the clock shows 30 it is actually 30.9.

This is a non-issue.

Not really because the clock - on a reset - would go to 30.0.

However...as was said in response to the OP, the violation takes place when the shot-clock reads :20 (on a possession that begins at :30).

Here's the rule in a nutshell: Take what's on the shot-clock when a throw-in takes place in the backcourt after a made FG, foul, violation (other than OOB) or time out and subtract 10. That's when the violation occurs.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Not really because the clock - on a reset - would go to 30.0.

However...as was said in response to the OP, the violation takes place when the shot-clock reads :20 (on a possession that begins at :30).

Here's the rule in a nutshell: Take what's on the shot-clock when a throw-in takes place in the backcourt after a made FG, foul, violation (other than OOB) or time out and subtract 10. That's when the violation occurs.

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And, while a team has the full ten seconds when the shotclock starts at 30, they might have a slight bit less when the shotclock is at, say 25 after a TO request (and we will use 15 as the marker).