Villanova @ Xavier Plays (Video)

[JRutledge]

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Play 3:


Peace

[Camron Rust]

1. I think I'll take the foul rather than the held ball. Was pulled away easily, not really a head ball, then the contact was an easy foul call.

2. RA block. Looks good to me. If he was outside the arc, you can't tell from the video. Going with the official in perfect position to see it.

3. Yes, it happened. What is their to breakdown. It is a missed shot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

3. Yes, it happened. What is their to breakdown. It is a missed shot.

I posted these for discussion purposes, nothing but a missed shot?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I posted these for discussion purposes, nothing but a missed shot?

Peace

Well, OK, it is a violation on the FT shooter. You gave it a title that indicated the thing being looked at was the stuck ball. Why do that if the point of the video is something else? I didn't even bother looking at anything else.

I called this twice last night and it ended up leading to a T against the kid I called it on. He gave a big 2-handed wave-off when I explained it to him.

His coach wanted an explanation (both for the original call and why I called the T), I gave it.

Shortly after the first occurrence where I T'd him for it, I called a foul that sent him to the line again. Being in front of his team's bench. I suggested the coaches watch him. He did it again (missing the front end of 2). I looked back at the coaches and said "did you see it?" They all chucked and nodded. I called it again a little later and he looked looked to his coaches and they told him that he did go way over the line way too early, pretty much right after the release. It is nice when coaches listen to the explanation then confirm to their player that they are doing exactly what the referees indicated.

I also called two other violations for perimeter players rushing in on the release. I think this game doubled the number of FT violations I've called all season.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

1. I think I'll take the foul rather than the held ball. Was pulled away easily, not really a head ball, then the contact was an easy foul call.

2. RA block. Looks good to me. If he was outside the arc, you can't tell from the video. Going with the official in perfect position to see it.

3. Yes, it happened. What is their to breakdown. It is a missed shot.

I agree with Chuck's analysis.

On #3 -- I don't think that the violation should be called on this play -- it was obviously the first of multiple FTs and A1 didn't get any shooting or rebounding advantage here. (I'm assuming the violation hasn't been an issue elsewhere in the game.)

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree with Chuck's analysis.

On #3 -- I don't think that the violation should be called on this play -- it was obviously the first of multiple FTs and A1 didn't get any shooting or rebounding advantage here. (I'm assuming the violation hasn't been an issue elsewhere in the game.)

The advantage Bluiett gained was he couldn't keep his foot legally behind the stripe until the ball contacted. Make them balance up and shoot the ball--it's not second graders who can't hoist it up there otherwise.

I've seen enough of these passed on in the last month to realize it's becoming philosophy. Baffles me--Seriously, what do you tell the opposing coach when he questions?

Originally Posted by Jesse James

The advantage Bluiett gained was he couldn't keep his foot legally behind the stripe until the ball contacted.

Sorry buddy that isn't the way the game is being called nowadays. This would not be called in the NBA or NCAA game and less and less in HS.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sorry buddy that isn't the way the game is being called nowadays. This would not be called in the NBA or NCAA game and less and less in HS.

So when the opposing coach asks why you didn't call what everyone knows is a violation, your response is...?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sorry buddy that isn't the way the game is being called nowadays. This would not be called in the NBA or NCAA game and less and less in HS.

I have never been told to pass on an obvious violation. And this is certainly not one I have ever been scolded for at the varsity, or college ranks.

Peace

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sorry buddy that isn't the way the game is being called nowadays. This would not be called in the NBA or NCAA game and less and less in HS.

I think the NBA rule is different is it not?

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

The advantage Bluiett gained was he couldn't keep his foot legally behind the stripe until the ball contacted. Make them balance up and shoot the ball--it's not second graders who can't hoist it up there otherwise.

I've seen enough of these passed on in the last month to realize it's becoming philosophy. Baffles me--Seriously, what do you tell the opposing coach when he questions?

I called a violation very similar to this in a BV game early in the season directly in front of an opposing coach at the end of 1st half. He yelled for it and I called it at nearly the exact time. As my partners and I were walking into the locker room, one of my partners told me never to call that again and I shouldn't even be looking there. Now, he's got 30+ years of experience and half of that doing college games, but I disagree with that philosophy.
If I hadn't of called it, I would have had some explaining to do to that coach. I've continued to call it as the rule says to.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Blindolbat

I called a violation very similar to this in a BV game early in the season directly in front of an opposing coach at the end of 1st half. He yelled for it and I called it at nearly the exact time. As my partners and I were walking into the locker room, one of my partners told me never to call that again and I shouldn't even be looking there. Now, he's got 30+ years of experience and half of that doing college games, but I disagree with that philosophy.
If I hadn't of called it, I would have had some explaining to do to that coach. I've continued to call it as the rule says to.

Exactly! If the powers that be don't want that called, they can change the rule.

The last thing we need is to need a secret decoder ring to know which rules are rules and which ones are not. One of my pet peeves is people who make things up...either to call or to not call....that have no basis in the rules even by way of liberal interpretation.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Blindolbat

I called a violation very similar to this in a BV game early in the season directly in front of an opposing coach at the end of 1st half. He yelled for it and I called it at nearly the exact time. As my partners and I were walking into the locker room, one of my partners told me never to call that again and I shouldn't even be looking there. Now, he's got 30+ years of experience and half of that doing college games, but I disagree with that philosophy.
If I hadn't of called it, I would have had some explaining to do to that coach. I've continued to call it as the rule says to.

Was your partner telling you this because you called it from T and he was C? In that case he has a point, but if the violation was so obvious that you and the coach could see if from T then he should be calling it, and I don't have a problem with you calling it either (again, if the violation was egregious).

[Raymond]

So nice he had to say it twice.

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[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So nice he had to say it twice.

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Which meant twice the spelling errors, grammar errors, and typos. Some people shouldn't post after midnight and before 5 am.