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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:36pm
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I think there was an over the back that could have been called.
Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes?

Cue Billy....
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:15pm
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Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes?

Cue Billy....
I was being facetious, but I meant what I said. The ONLY thing I saw on replay was an SC player teaching over a UK kid who didn't bother to jump. Nothing to call, IOW.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:18pm
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Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes? Cue Billy....
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Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

Calvin Coolidge once said, "The things I did not say never hurt me." Of course, he was not talking about basketball, but many officials would be smart to heed his sage advice as they communicate with coaches, and players.

Good communication skills are important tools to have on any official’s tool belt. Good communication with a partner, with a player, or with a coach, can go a long way to maintaining control of the game, having good game management, and having a smooth game. Sometimes this communication takes place in oral form, talking to players, or coaches, in some cases to explain a ruling, or in other cases to prevent a violation, or a foul. However, probably for reasons of tradition, there have been things that officials often, or sometimes, say during a game that do not have any basis in the rules, and should probably not be said in a game. This article will cover some of those “best left unsaid” statements.

"Over the back", reported by an official to the table on a rebounding foul, is, in reality, probably a pushing foul. Over the back is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called, and this should be reported to the table as such.

Finally, a thought by Will Rogers, “Never miss a good chance to shut up.”

For the record, I knew exactly what Adam really meant in the context of his post. I also doubt that he uses the phrase, "Over the back", when he reports fouls to the table.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:49pm
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Anyone notice Sirmons run across the court to Cal before he gave the T? I can't imagine that is a good way to de-escalate things.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:17am
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Anyone notice Sirmons run across the court to Cal before he gave the T? I can't imagine that is a good way to de-escalate things.
Sirmons has worked three Final Fours. I think he knows what he's doing.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:30am
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Sirmons has worked three Final Fours. I think he knows what he's doing.
Which obviously means he is above reproach and never makes a mistake.

It's funny considering Sirmons told me this summer that he got reprimanded for going in the UNI's huddle when he had that 3 points/backcourt violation play. I imagine his supervisor probably didn't like him running over to Cal and then whacking him in this game either.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:19pm
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Which obviously means he is above reproach and never makes a mistake.

It's funny considering Sirmons told me this summer that he got reprimanded for going in the UNI's huddle when he had that 3 points/backcourt violation play. I imagine his supervisor probably didn't like him running over to Cal and then whacking him in this game either.
You do realize that his supervisor for SEC games isn't the same as the one for the NCAA Tournament, right? What makes you so sure that his supervisor isn't going to like what he did here? He had to go over there to switch anyway because the tableside official called the foul.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:23pm
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You do realize that his supervisor for SEC games isn't the same as the one for the NCAA Tournament, right?
Yes I am aware John Adams and Jake Bell are two different people.

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What makes you so sure that his supervisor isn't going to like what he did here?
Perhaps cuz it looks like Sirmons baited him?

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He had to go over there to switch anyway because the tableside official called the foul.
Yeah but how many officials sprint across the floor to their new position??
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:31pm
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Which obviously means he is above reproach and never makes a mistake. .
No it means he is accomplished and I doubt they totally disagree with his basic judgment. That is what happens when you are and accomplished official or coach. And unlike a coach we are picked to work games by someone in a higher position. Do not think that there are his bosses that have seen him in big time situations and judged he knows what he is doing.

And honestly we have no idea what Coach Cal said. Cal could have never came to the table at all. Shame on him if he gets a T. Stay your behind at the bench if you want to stay in the game.

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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:56pm
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And honestly we have no idea what Coach California said. Call could have never came to the table at all. Shame on him if he gets a T. Stay your behind at the bench if you want to stay in the game.

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He did. We're talking about the first T. He was right at his chair at the time of the first one.

The 2nd T, sure, he deserved that one 100%, no question.
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