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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:34pm
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I will have to go back and look, but I believe they gave the ball back to South Carolina based on the video. I will look again as there was some confusion by the commentators.

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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:56pm
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To me it looks more like the SC guy fouled his own teammate
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:01pm
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I went back and looked at the video and it appears they gave the ball to Kentucky after the 4 FTs. It was not clear as they did not show the throw-in and not sure where they gave the ball to them at based on the broadcast. ESPN was busy showing continuous replays of Coach Cal getting ejected. But it looks like #13 on Kentucky fouled the SC player and pin balled him into another Kentucky player.

That even shows more silliness by Coach Cal because he got the foul and the play I showed that the Play-by-Play guy claimed was a foul before, he had nothing to complain about.

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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:06pm
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Kentucky was getting shoved around on their defensive glass...I can see why Calipari go the 1st one....ESPECIALLY after the NCAA's video bulletin emphasized calling fouls during block out/rebounds....
Of course you can. You'll do everything you can to justify his behavior and, more or less, pin the blame on the crew.
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:07pm
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Simmons not reseting on laurels...

I see he had two more technicals in 2nd half, including KU asst coach. Good for him, though wondering if partners had opportunity.
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:10pm
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I see he had two more technicals in 2nd half, including KU asst coach. Good for him, though wondering if partners had opportunity.
twocentsworth will probably attribute it to the official being a poor communicator.
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:26pm
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Kentucky was getting shoved around on their defensive glass...I can see why Calipari go the 1st one....ESPECIALLY after the NCAA's video bulletin emphasized calling fouls during block out/rebounds....
I think there was an over the back that could have been called.
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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:36pm
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I think there was an over the back that could have been called.
Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes?

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Old Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:15pm
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Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes?

Cue Billy....
I was being facetious, but I meant what I said. The ONLY thing I saw on replay was an SC player teaching over a UK kid who didn't bother to jump. Nothing to call, IOW.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:37am
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Let's get back on track, folks. I've just deleted some posts because there's no need to pile on here.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:18pm
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Surely you mean a pushing foul, yes? Cue Billy....
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Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

Calvin Coolidge once said, "The things I did not say never hurt me." Of course, he was not talking about basketball, but many officials would be smart to heed his sage advice as they communicate with coaches, and players.

Good communication skills are important tools to have on any official’s tool belt. Good communication with a partner, with a player, or with a coach, can go a long way to maintaining control of the game, having good game management, and having a smooth game. Sometimes this communication takes place in oral form, talking to players, or coaches, in some cases to explain a ruling, or in other cases to prevent a violation, or a foul. However, probably for reasons of tradition, there have been things that officials often, or sometimes, say during a game that do not have any basis in the rules, and should probably not be said in a game. This article will cover some of those “best left unsaid” statements.

"Over the back", reported by an official to the table on a rebounding foul, is, in reality, probably a pushing foul. Over the back is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called, and this should be reported to the table as such.

Finally, a thought by Will Rogers, “Never miss a good chance to shut up.”

For the record, I knew exactly what Adam really meant in the context of his post. I also doubt that he uses the phrase, "Over the back", when he reports fouls to the table.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:49pm
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Anyone notice Sirmons run across the court to Cal before he gave the T? I can't imagine that is a good way to de-escalate things.
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Old Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:19pm
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Perhaps his goal wasn't to de-escalate there.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:03am
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Perhaps his goal wasn't to de-escalate there.
Yep, may have been too late for that.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:17am
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Anyone notice Sirmons run across the court to Cal before he gave the T? I can't imagine that is a good way to de-escalate things.
Sirmons has worked three Final Fours. I think he knows what he's doing.
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