Would you put the ball in play or wait?

[Dad]

Less than a minute left in the 4th and the game is tied.

V coach: no issues all game
H coach: almost no issues all game, but giving him zero benefit of the doubt for acting like a clown on calls he didn't like

60s TO was called and after the 15s warning V come out onto the court ready to play. Ball is Vs for a throw-in under their basket. H team is also warned at the 15s warning and then is making zero move to be on the court after the 60s TO is over. I'm the lead to administer the throw-in. I walked a few steps onto the court to blow my whistle and tell H coach I'm putting the ball in play. Still blabbing and no sign of rushing his team out onto the floor.

Do you give V the ball?

[bob jenkins]

I issue a ROP warning.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I issue a ROP warning.

The throw-in team was ready.

[deecee]

If this had gone on all game now's a tough time to start. If the coaches were decent I'd give him another warning "coach we're starting." if they aren't immediate to end the huddle Ill put the ball in play. When they all run out to now play defense Ill also make sure only 5 entered the court.

Usually im in a huddle from the start reminding at first horn and getting a team out. If they still dilly dally i tell my partner to put the ball in. Have only had an issue once but after putting the ball down and starting the count after the players broke the huddle after a warning or two and then just taking their sweet time. Didn't have an issue after that.

[Rich]

Not a chance I put it in play here.

So this one time they take advantage of me? Fine. I'm in the huddle breaking it up but I'm not letting the other official(s) put it in play without a defense.

I've been on YouTube once -- no desire to make it there a second time.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

If I haven't addressed it prior to this point in the game, I'm not gonna screw someone at this point either.

One thing I'll normally do is when the 15s warning sounds, as I walk toward the huddle to remind them to finish it up, I'll give a quick short blast on my whistle. If I've noticed a team is normally slow to break up, I'll try to position myself near the head coach so that if the buzzer sounds to end the time out, I'm blowing my whistle again, and this time, the coach's ear is probably gonna ring for a couple seconds afterward.

[PG_Ref]

[QUOTE=Rich;980375]Not a chance I put it in play here.

So this one time they take advantage of me? Fine. I'm in the huddle breaking it up but I'm not letting the other official(s) put it in play without a defense.

I've been on YouTube once -- no desire to make it there a second time.[/QUOTE]

Coward

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

Not a chance I put it in play here.

So this one time they take advantage of me? Fine. I'm in the huddle breaking it up but I'm not letting the other official(s) put it in play without a defense.

I've been on YouTube once -- no desire to make it there a second time.

What are you going to do when the administering official doesn't want to wait any longer, blows their whistle, and hands the ball to V?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dad

The throw-in team was ready.

Doesn't matter.

What does matter, though, is that my mindset was NCAAW, not FED.

[twocentsworth]

Put the ball in play? NOT. A. CHANCE.

I would absolutely give a Delay of Game warning BEFORE I went to ROP...I would do just about anything in my power to avoid administering the ball w/ only one team on the floor of a tied game in the last couple of minutes.

BTW - if you do that, you should know that it's not just a "free 2 points" for one team...it's going to be potentially 6 or 7 points - the coach is going to get a T and the resulting penalty will add 2FT's and the ball...

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Put the ball in play? NOT. A. CHANCE.

I would absolutely give a Delay of Game warning BEFORE I went to ROP...I would do just about anything in my power to avoid administering the ball w/ only one team on the floor of a tied game in the last couple of minutes.

BTW - if you do that, you should know that it's not just a "free 2 points" for one team...it's going to be potentially 6 or 7 points - the coach is going to get a T and the resulting penalty will add 2FT's and the ball...

This would be incorrect by rule in HS.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Put the ball in play? NOT. A. CHANCE.

I would absolutely give a Delay of Game warning BEFORE I went to ROP...I would do just about anything in my power to avoid administering the ball w/ only one team on the floor of a tied game in the last couple of minutes.

BTW - if you do that, you should know that it's not just a "free 2 points" for one team...it's going to be potentially 6 or 7 points - the coach is going to get a T and the resulting penalty will add 2FT's and the ball...

I'm probably giving the coach a bit of leeway here, but frankly, if you think you can call a DOG warning here you really need to go back and re-read the DOG rules.

[BlueDevilRef]

I would say all the answers above are spot on with this caveat: use your judgement. If you are in the huddle giving warnings, hitting whistle etc and it only takes a few seconds, fine. But at some point, you have to decide when the penalty will be you just putting the ball in play. Would they get this same amount of discretion if it was the first quarter or in a blowout? If yes, then there isn't an issue. If not, need to be considering a penalty for not returning to floor and delaying the game.

[BlueDevilRef]

Again, I ask: what penalty is there for this coach? Do you wait a few seconds (I'm ok with that), how about 10, 15,20? At what point is he getting an unfair advantage over the other team? I realize this isn't one of the four DOG situations, so what other penalty is there other than putting ball in play after a few tweets and "ball is coming into play"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Again, I ask: what penalty is there for this coach? Do you wait a few seconds (I'm ok with that), how about 10, 15,20? At what point is he getting an unfair advantage over the other team? I realize this isn't one of the four DOG situations, so what other penalty is there other than putting ball in play after a few tweets and "ball is coming into play"

One of us is getting into the huddle. If he flat out ignores us, we'll eventually have to put it in play, but I'm going to be able to accurately tell my assigner I did everything I could. The only rule-supported response is ROP, and in some areas it would be the right thing to do. Most places want you to figure out a way to get him back on the court. In the end, though, there's only one remedy, but it's essentially the nuclear option.