What a night

[SCalScoreKeeper]

And that's not even with me complaining about the visiting bookkeeper-in this case a player from their JV girls team,cheering and screaming as they fought their way back from 14 down to take a lead before falling by 10.I always write the names of the officials in my book-we even announce the crew during pre-game ceremonies,so she had more than ample time to write them in.Since we are an Arbiter state and a school can see who is working them I felt no need to bail the kid out who didn't do their job.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...

Or the CHSEagle has landed.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...

Umm... Well... Yeah.

All hail my literacy rate!

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[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or the CHSEagle has landed.

Please don't tempt fate!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at......

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

What a night.

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.

SCalScoreKeeper's thread title haunted me.

Guess what the link is and enjoy.

https://youtu.be/t3RqEl9s6NI

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Yeah-it was amusing,and I had a club volleyball tournament to officiate the next morning too lol

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

Maybe.

If, as the casebook says, they're all doing the same thing at the same time in reaction to the same thing, then I'd assess a single bench technical which is also charged indirect to the HC. If, however, one ASSistant is yelling about a traveling call, and another ASSistant is at the same time yelling about a foul he thinks should have been called, I'm whacking them both individually, and charging 2 indirects to the HC.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Adam

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

Wrong rule - try 10.4.1.A

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Wrong rule - try 10.4.1.A

I think the point Adam is trying to make that is brought up in 10.4.4.B is the idea of "similar multiple infractions occuring at the same time." That's why I say if all 4 ASSistants are booing the same call at the same time, then I'll throw a single bench technical. But if they're all whining about different things at the same time, I'll whack them each individually and let the coach have an early shower.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I think the point Adam is trying to make that is brought up in 10.4.4.B is the idea of "similar multiple infractions occuring at the same time." That's why I say if all 4 ASSistants are booing the same call at the same time, then I'll throw a single bench technical. But if they're all whining about different things at the same time, I'll whack them each individually and let the coach have an early shower.

Understood, and I don't necessarily disagree, but it's not real clear. Personally I don't believe in piling on unnecessarily and a single indirect to the HC would be OK, but is that supported by rule?

10-4-4 specifically applies only to when standing at the team bench is permitted, while 10-4-1 addresses unsporting conduct. Casebook 10.4.1.A specifically says: "In addition to charging a technical to the individuals in all cases, the technical foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach......."

So if all they do is stand, then 10.4.4.B would apply and you go with a single bench technical and indirect to the HC, though even that might be questionable per 10-4-1-e, but I wouldn't go there.

But if they gesture, comment or commit any other unsporting act listed in 10.4.1, then 10.4.1.A would apply, they all get T's, and arguably the HC could be charged with an indirect for each, but the rule/case doesn't specifically address multiple similar unsportsmanlike acts committed at the same time.

There are supporting arguments both ways, i.e penalties under 10-4-5 when team members leave the bench during a fight, but if they don't participate they all get flagrants but the HC only gets one indirect. Then again, under 10.4.1 if 3 players dunk in warmups, the HC gets 3 indirects and is gone.

Can we justify charging each ASSistant with a T for acts committed at the same time? Absolutely per 10.4.1.A. But can we charge only one resulting indirect to the HC as a result? Probably, but it's not real clear.