Time for a Rule Review?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Smitty

None of this really matters - the rules give us the sequence of handling the situation. He was just asking a question not knowing how we handle the situation in HS. No need to treat him like he's a moron.

I'm sorry, it sounded like he understood how it was carried out, he just disagreed and was looking for a change to the rule.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm sorry, it sounded like he understood how it was carried out, he just disagreed and was looking for a change to the rule.

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He understands. He is an assistant coach from a college team based on what I can surmise from his 3 posts so far. He just needs to accept that the HS rule is different than the college rule.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He understands. He is an assistant coach from a college team based on what I can surmise from his 3 posts so far. He just needs to accept that the HS rule is different than the college rule.

IIRC, the college rule used to be the same as the current HS rule. In essence, college softened the consequences of certain Ts. And IIRC, it was some years after they had increased the consequences of a T by going from 1 FT to 2.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

IIRC, the college rule used to be the same as the current HS rule. In essence, college softened the consequences of certain Ts. And IIRC, it was some years after they had increased the consequences of a T by going from 1 FT to 2.

I work both. All that history stuff is irrelevant to me (as you can tell in my convos with BillyMac). The college rule has been the way it now for a while now. Every time I work I make sure I'm prepared to properly adjudicate technical fouls based on that game's rule set.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I work both. All that history stuff is irrelevant to me (as you can tell in my convos with BillyMac). The college rule has been the way it now for a while now. Every time I work I make sure I'm prepared to properly adjudicate technical fouls based on that game's rule set.

History can be dangerous if overthought but can be useful sometimes in understanding where coaches (and, regrettably, sometimes partners) are coming from. In my mind, it is helpful to know that something used to be a rule because there can be a difference between a coach who is just clueless and a coach remembering an old rule. (As I've said on here before, I ref soccer not basketball. I have on numerous occasions told a coach "That was a rule, but it changed several years ago." In my experience it enhances credibility: on one hand it shows I listened to him and understood what he said, and at the same time establishes detailed rule knowledge. YMMV.

(And yes, I'll confess that I also (more so than many) find the evolution of the rules and he changes that get made over time fascinating. And while the reasons for those changes often aren't relevant to enforcement and application, I find that understanding the thought process behind them, even when I disagree with the rationale, makes it easier to remember what they are. Again, YMMV)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

IIRC, the college rule used to be the same as the current HS rule. In essence, college softened the consequences of certain Ts. And IIRC, it was some years after they had increased the consequences of a T by going from 1 FT to 2.

Took the words out of my mouth. In fact the "softening" of technical foul penalty weight in college is an ongoing trend. For example, in NCAAM, the rule was changed this year where Class B techs have decreased from 2 FTs to 1.

There's less tolerance for technical fouls, at least from a rules committee philosophical standpoint, in high school. Hence the penalties are more severe. In addition, I think there's a NFHS rules committee desire to keep technical foul administration very simple and consistent for HS officials. So while I personally would prefer to use the POI in NFHS games like NCAA does, I don't see it ever happening at the HS level.

Also, no disrespect to BNR, but I respectfully disagree about his indifference to rules history. It matters. Helps avoid past mistakes, and helps keep rules changes in context, especially if you have to explain them to a partner who's having a brain fart (like I did yesterday when my partner almost gave bonus free throws for an illegal screen ).