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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Boys Varsity. Team A has ball in the corner #34 Team A and # 21 Team B are at the the foul line. #21 is attempting to guard #34. #34 does not like it and hits #21 in the chest with a hard elbow. Referee did not think it was flagrant but a foul needed to be called. Could you call a technical foul under Rule10-1-8 for an unsporting foul? Should you call a common foul or an intentional foul.

The contact, if illegal cannot be a TF because the Ball was Live when the contact occurred. That said, if the Official, in his judgement thinks the contact was illegal, he must decide if it is a CF, and IPF, or FPF.

MTD, Sr.

[packersowner]

Based on that scenario, I am calling an intentional foul. Intent is hard to measure, but based on your choice of words, there was intent to use the elbow to make contact. If the same contact had happened above the shoulders, I am inclined to go flagrant. I struggle with the common fouls in these situations, I think the wording has always been a little confusing.

[Adam]

Pretty easy IPF, to me.

[deecee]

Live ball contact you only have 3 options

Common foul
Intentional Foul
Flagrant Foul

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Live ball contact you only have 3 options

Common foul
Intentional Foul
Flagrant Foul

No call.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by deecee

Live ball contact you only have 3 options

Common foul
Intentional Foul
Flagrant Foul

Great thread. Had a similar situation earlier this week in which our crew called it a technical foul (EDIT: intentional shove in the back during live play). I have since researched the foul rules more in depth and learned why a technical foul is not an option. The rule citations that helped me may help others:

4-19-5b defines a technical foul as a noncontact foul by a player.

4-19-5c defines the intentional technical foul, which requires the ball to be dead.

4-19-14 defines an unsporting foul as noncontact technical foul.

Thanks for starting this discussion!