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I'm fully aware of the ruling. Read the second sentence of it. The players were beckoned AND entered. Those are the facts of the play. Also look at the rule itself. Sub becomes player when he legally enters court. It doesn't say he becomes a player when you Beckon him. "Legally enters" means something besides beckon....or they would have said in the rule he becomes a player when "beckoned." I'm sorry I can't make it any clearer. Maybe somebody else can.
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Let's Go To The Videotape ...
3.3.1 SITUATION F: Substitutes A6, A7 and A8 report only their own numbers
to the scorer for entry. The substitutes are beckoned into the game by an official and enter the court. Before their replacements leave the court, a fight breaks out with five (of the eight on-court) players from Team A and three players from Team B involved. RULING: Substitutes become players when they legally enter the court; in this case, when the official beckoned them onto the court. The players being replaced by A6, A7 and A8 were not known at the time of the fight to determine what players would be classified as "bench personnel." The officials and scorer shall make an effort to determine who substitutes A6, A7 and A8 were replacing when the fight broke out. If the players being replaced by the substitutes cannot be determined, the only recourse the officials have to determine what penalties to assess the head coach for the involvement of bench personnel is to assess the maximum penalty. Of the five Team A players involved, assume three were bench personnel and assess three indirect technical fouls to the head coach, which results in ejection. Team B would also be awarded four free throws (two for each additional player involved in the fight). All participants are disqualified for flagrant fouls. Play would be resumed with a Team B throw-in from the division line opposite the scorer's table. (10-3-9 Penalty; 10-4-1h Penalty; 2-3)
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Again I would not have called anything here either. I'm just gathering facts. |
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"In this case, when the official beckoned them onto the court." |
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Anyway, look at 3-3-2. Sub is to remain "outside the boundary" until official beckons, whereupon he/she shall ENTER. (Inside the boundary). So, sub is remaining "outside the boundary." When beckoned he is then TO ENTER. We know he becomes player when he legally enters.... Last edited by BigCat; Sun Jan 24, 2016 at 10:45pm. |
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It could be written better but I believe they are saying their entry was legal because they were beckoned. They don't mean that beckoning equals entering.
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Thank you. And yes I am hard headed. But not to much to be corrected. Just need proof haha.
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This boils down to a couple of things. First, even if you know who A6 was originally going to replace, there's no rule that obligates them to stick with it. Coaches change their minds all the time, even after A6 gets onto the court, due to changing circumstances on the court.
Even if the sub was beckoned, came onto the court, and then they called a timeout, there's no procedure in place to find out who's been replaced before granting a TO request. You still don't know who was supposed to be replaced. You never know until that player leaves the court. Aside from all that, there's no prescribed penalty here anyway. It's not a technical foul.
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I'm glad you care enough to keep after it until you have it figured out. Keep asking until you are comfortable.
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Not Beckoned ...
"In this case" because, in many cases, like during timeouts, or an intermission, the substitute simply reports and is not beckoned onto the court (he goes back to his huddle). In some cases the substitute doesn't even have to report. Substitutions between halves may be made by a team representative.
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But if it was not a timeout situation or intermission like in the case play example the beckoning is what would make them a legal player. Am I correct in saying that? |
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