Kickball Arrow Question

[Cole4088]

Questioning official would like to known: Even after the next throw in that the arrow still stays with Team A. His belief is that Tea A still gets their throw in so it should switch. *I post questions from some buddies of mine as well as questions from me if we cannot find it*

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Cole4088

Questioning official would like to known: Even after the next throw in that the arrow still stays with Team A. His belief is that Tea A still gets their throw in so it should switch. *I post questions from some buddies of mine as well as questions from me if we cannot find it*

The NFHS rule is that the team is entitled to an entire throw in from the arrow. If the throw in is cut short by a defensive violation (or a foul by either team), the arrow will not switch because the ensuing throw in is not a result of the arrow.

It's similar to the following scenario, even though in your case the throw in had not even begun:
Held ball called, A's ball with the arrow, then just before the throw in is administered B's coach earns himself a technical foul.

A gets the shots and the ball, and the arrow does not change.

[bas2456]

Think of it this way...

Team A is entitled to a throw in because of...a held ball and the arrow pointing their direction.

Team B violates during the throw in, meaning the throw in never ends (true whether it's an AP throw in or not) so the arrow can't switch.

Team A now has a throw in because of the violation, not because of the arrow. The arrow still points toward A because the AP throw in never ended.

I hope I explained that well enough. That line of thinking is what helps me.

[Cole4088]

This bring me to this question... Say Team A is throwing AP throw in. Team B goes to intercept but bobbles it and Team A player plows him over in a common foul way. Does Team A keep the arrow? I'm assuming so since no possession was established.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Cole4088

This bring me to this question... Say Team A is throwing AP throw in. Team B goes to intercept but bobbles it and Team A player plows him over in a common foul way. Does Team A keep the arrow? I'm assuming so since no possession was established.

If you've got a rulebook handy, look up how a throw in legally ends.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

PLAY: Held ball. Team A has the AP Arrow. A1 releases the ball on the throw-in such that it crosses the boundary line and the first contact is a kicking violation by A2.

RULING: Team B is awarded a throw-in because of A2 kicking violation.


The questions of the day is: Is the AP Arrow reversed? And why?

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

From the NFHS Case Book:
4.42.5 SITUATION:

Team A is awarded an alternating-possession throw-in. A1's throw-in pass is illegally kicked by B2.

RULING: As a result of B2's kicking violation, Team A is awarded a new throw-in at the designated spot nearest to where the kicking violation (illegal touching) occurred. Since the alternating-possession throw-in had not been contacted legally, the throw-in has not ended and therefore, the arrow remains with Team A for the next alternating-possession throw-in.

COMMENT: The kicking violation ends the alternating-possession throw-in and as a result, a non-alternating-possession throw-in is administered. When the ball is legally touched on the subsequent throw-in following the kicking violation, the arrow shall not be changed and shall remain with Team A. (6-4-5)

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by Cole4088

This bring me to this question... Say Team A is throwing AP throw in. Team B goes to intercept but bobbles it and Team A player plows him over in a common foul way. Does Team A keep the arrow? I'm assuming so since no possession was established.

Legal touch ends a throw in- not posession.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Cole4088

This bring me to this question... Say Team A is throwing AP throw in. Team B goes to intercept but bobbles it and Team A player plows him over in a common foul way. Does Team A keep the arrow? I'm assuming so since no possession was established.

A lot easier to understand if you study the throw-in rules in regards to when a throw-in ends.