To T or not to T; that is the question?

[Refhoop]

I read the OP as the coach thinking it was a TO and only celebrating or "clapping his team" into a timeout huddle...
I didn't view it as "celebrating". If he was just stoic - would that change things?


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I read the OP as the coach thinking it was a TO and only celebrating or "clapping his team" into a timeout huddle...
I didn't view it as "celebrating". If he was just stoic - would that change things?


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For me? Mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe. However, the OP said the excitement was over the made basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

For me? Mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe. However, the OP said the excitement was over the made basket.

No, it says he's acting as if there's a timeout AND mildly celebrating the made basket. He's not out high fiving his shooter, he thought there was a TO.

If the other coach asks, I'll give him the "I'd do the same for you" and add that if he had interfered with play, I would have called it.

[Smitty]

The OP as written, I'd be most likely to play on and not issue a T. No press, so the coach did not disrupt play. He had a brain fart and wasn't being argumentative. If the other coach said anything I'd tell him I would have done the same thing for him. I do not think this situation, as written, is T-worthy.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The OP as written, I'd be most likely to play on and not issue a T. No press, so the coach did not disrupt play. He had a brain fart and wasn't being argumentative. If the other coach said anything I'd tell him I would have done the same thing for him. I do not think this situation, as written, is T-worthy.

Exactly!
To the opposing coach: if I even thought this was intentional I would have whacked him.
We got a great game going - let's get back to basketball.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Exactly!
To the opposing coach: if I even thought this was intentional I would have whacked him.
We got a great game going - let's get back to basketball.


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Where do the rules say anything about it having to be intentional?

The coach shall remain seated on the team bench, except:

The coach gets to stay in his box. If he leaves the box it's a technical. Almost all coaches follow this rule so why are we giving the misbehaving ones a pass?

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The OP as written, I'd be most likely to play on and not issue a T. No press, so the coach did not disrupt play. He had a brain fart and wasn't being argumentative. If the other coach said anything I'd tell him I would have done the same thing for him. I do not think this situation, as written, is T-worthy.

What if a state evaluator was there doing an evaluation on you, in preparation for the upcoming state tournament. Would anyone handle it differently?

What if instead of the coach having a brain fart, it was a player who had one and took off his jersey within the confines of the court?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

What if a state evaluator was there doing an evaluation on you, in preparation for the upcoming state tournament. Would anyone handle it differently?

What if instead of the coach having a brain fart, it was a player who had one and took off his jersey within the confines of the court?

I suppose it depends on your state and your evaluator, but I know ours (or at least the ones I've had) are pretty big on game management and I would think that calling the T might actually cost you a shot if you're on the fence. Maybe not, but I think that not calling it would garner more respect about how to handle the situation than calling it would.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

1. What if a state evaluator was there doing an evaluation on you, in preparation for the upcoming state tournament. Would anyone handle it differently?

2. What if instead of the coach having a brain fart, it was a player who had one and took off his jersey within the confines of the court?

1. This specific situation in the OP? No, I would not handle it differently if an evaluator was there. I mentioned that in my area, the coaching box is not something we stress over. It's not just me. It only becomes an issue if a coach is far outside their box or if they are outside the box and complaining.

2. Now you're changing the situation, and I said very clearly what my response was to the original situation.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Smitty

2. Now you're changing the situation, and I said very clearly what my response was to the original situation.

That's exactly what I'm doing. My guess is that you would apply the rule as stated in the book in the second situation. It's interesting how some officials cherry pick rules and make justifications to applying/not applying them....

If I'm correct, in that you would give a T to a player that had that same brain fart as the coach had, and took off his jersey in the confines of the court, then in my opinion, your line of reasoning for giving the coach a pass falls short of being consistent.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

That's exactly what I'm doing. My guess is that you would apply the rule as stated in the book in the second situation. It's interesting how some officials cherry pick rules and make justifications to applying/not applying them....

If I'm correct, in that you would give a T to a player that had that same brain fart as the coach had, and took off his jersey in the confines of the court, then in my opinion, your line of reasoning for giving the coach a pass falls short of being consistent.

It depends. If a kid takes his shirt off in anger or disgust - easy decision. If a kid is told they need to take off an illegal undershirt and was not told to leave the confines of the court, I might let it go. Whenever I tell a kid they need to take off an undershirt, I also tell them to go into the hallway.

Things are not black and white - there are shades of grey, and those shades are darker or lighter depending on where you live. I've never been in a place that expects me to do things by the letter of the book. But if I ever am in that place, I will do as they expect. I never gave warnings or blew my whistle when we came onto the court before I moved to Texas. But that's what they do here, so am I going to be a pioneer and do what you think I should do instead? No. That would be detrimental to my officiating career.